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Old 05-15-2017, 03:40 AM   #1
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Jason Lippert, CEO of Lippert Components, said, We cant make enough investment in this area. Customers should not be stranded for 30 or more days because parts are not immediately available for their RV, he explained.

How about making components to begin with that do not prematurely fail due to the cheap and shoddy construction, then inflating the price on the replacement because you have a lock on the product?

These Industry discussions and power breakfasts are always fun to read. They sit around and actually believe the BS they talk about. They have been talking about change for 10 years and the only thing that has changed has been in the opposite direction from what they discuss is needed. These discussions should be renamed Fantasy Breakfasts.
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Old 05-15-2017, 05:10 AM   #2
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For many items far better equipment is easily available.

The hassle is RV are sold on price so a 1500W square wave inverter for $125 retail is easier to install than say a Mastervolt sine wave unit for $2,000 to $4,000.

For most RV folks the cheap unit is just fine.

For the very few that require the best , paying for it should be no problem , and giving away the cheapo pretty easy.
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Old 05-15-2017, 06:52 AM   #3
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The powers that be are dillusional

Millennials are socially well connected and are not fixers. They will do their research and talk (well, they will text) with their friends and families. They will realize how poorly made most RV's are, how bad dealer service is and how useless the warranty is. As a result, I think they will stay miles away from these things.

I love RV'ing but I very much dislike the RV ownership experience. Fortunately, I am reasonably successful plus I can fix almost anything. I tell anyone who asks my opinion of the RV industry and it's generally not favorable.
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Millennials are socially well connected and are not fixers. They will do their research and talk (well, they will text) with their friends and families. They will realize how poorly made most RV's are, how bad dealer service is and how useless the warranty is. As a result, I think they will stay miles away from these things.



I love RV'ing but I very much dislike the RV ownership experience. Fortunately, I am reasonably successful plus I can fix almost anything. I tell anyone who asks my opinion of the RV industry and it's generally not favorable.


I agree. The next generations are less tolerant than the previous and tend to place more value on their time. They aren't going to be as tolerant with the RV industry as we are.

I'm not seeing the next generations put up with the crap the RV industry dishes out.

Quality-vs-price?
One year warranty, but only from dealer you purchased from?
Wait times to get work completed?
Poor quality control during construction?

All items the next generations will be less tolerant of.

Don't even get me started on the issue of "pulling a TT with a Prius" (exaggeration for illustration).
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According to the article the grand poobah of the RVIA has already written of the boomers
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30 days???? In the airplane business not coming through in 30 hours will put a company out of business in a very short time.
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According to the article the grand poobah of the RVIA has already written of the boomers
I read it as well, I subscribe to the business end of the industry like yo. Every 'power dinner, lunch or breakfast' I've been to (and I've been to a few) is more about grooming each other and inflating ego's than actual constructive discussion, one reason I don't go anymore, besides the fact I'm semi retired now.

I always went for the food and not having to foot the bill. Far as being constructive, not really.

From what I see and can digest (not being in the industry and just reading what you read and observing posts on here and elsewhere, as I frequent numerous RV forums), Lippert operates under the 'build it cheap and stack them deep philosophy), at least with their chassis division. I see that they are buying up other component manufacturers (HappyJac for one). Hopefully, that manufacturing philosophy don't migrate into the businesses they acquire.

Getting out my crystal ball and predicting the future can be tough but, the industry is very cyclical and totally dependent on energy prices.

Right now, it's boom but a spike in energy prices will spell doom and gloom for the RV industry and as volatile as energy prices are, I suspect that in the not too distant future, fuel prices will increase, substantially.

When they do, the boom will become bust, much like it did 10 years ago.

Maybe then the industry will actually attempt at building a quality product and get away from the 'get them out the door as quick as possible and forget about QC. Let the end user deal with it...

My view as an independent businessman.

There are very high quality RV's out there but you'll pay for them, much more than any FR product produced today. Airstream comes to mind right away, for one.
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Reading articles from RIVA, I'm not impressed with them either. Lots of hand holding and not much constructive from what I see. Probably a lot of 'Power dinners' and 'atta boy' stuff transpiring.
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30 days???? In the airplane business not coming through in 30 hours will put a company out of business in a very short time.
Don't compare apples to mushrooms...

It's an RV (read not a necessity or federally regulated venue) so who cares really. So, your unit is waiting on parts and you cannot go 'glamping'. So what. Go rent a motel room at the Super 8.

In some ways, that is a better alternative because your DW don't have to make the bed, change the bed clothes or make breakfast... Most Super 8's have a continental breakfast, stale sticky buns, cold cereal, powdered scrambled eggs and coffee to die with.... been there did many over my working years. I usually hit the fresh fruit instead.
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Don't compare apples to mushrooms...

It's an RV (read not a necessity or federally regulated venue) so who cares really. So, your unit is waiting on parts and you cannot go 'glamping'. So what. Go rent a motel room at the Super 8.

In some ways, that is a better alternative because your DW don't have to make the bed, change the bed clothes or make breakfast... Most Super 8's have a continental breakfast, stale sticky buns, cold cereal, powdered scrambled eggs and coffee to die with.... been there did many over my working years. I usually hit the fresh fruit instead.
I've stayed in motels for a week and never had the room cleaned or bed made.

One of the reasons I decided to buy a travel trailer.
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Don't even get me started on the issue of "pulling a TT with a Prius" (exaggeration for illustration).
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Also after reading Greg Gerber's Death Spiral of the RV Industry a year ago I realized that the suppliers are under huge pressure to build cheaper because we (that is you and I and 99% of everyone else) are price driven. Oh we look at the quality of the paint, and other visible things but we cannot check on the frame, axles, and support that is supposed to be right. We are assuming that the lower price is because the dealer is taking a smaller margin. He isn't. If Lippert, or others, are under pressure from manufacturers then they look for a cheaper gadget, bracket or whatsit to use when building out their frames. If you have not read the article, it is VERY enlightening and may make you rethink buying an RV all together. BTW, we just bought our second one 3 months ago, so I am a gambler.
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Don't compare apples to mushrooms...

It's an RV (read not a necessity or federally regulated venue) so who cares really. So, your unit is waiting on parts and you cannot go 'glamping'. So what. Go rent a motel room at the Super 8.

In some ways, that is a better alternative because your DW don't have to make the bed, change the bed clothes or make breakfast... Most Super 8's have a continental breakfast, stale sticky buns, cold cereal, powdered scrambled eggs and coffee to die with.... been there did many over my working years. I usually hit the fresh fruit instead.
Actually since we're talking about "30 day" parts delivery it is apples to apples. There are no federally mandated regulations about how long it takes to get parts...only the certification of the part.
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The manufacture is pointing fingers at the dealers. The dealers are pointing fingers at the manufacture.
I question whether the manufacture actually has the parts in stock and do they refuse to ship what they have for fear of holding up production. Are they having trouble with their suppliers?
Perhaps it is a problem with the way they distribute. Maybe some money spent in distribution centers might help.
Has anyone toured a plant? I would be interested in what your impressions were. I sure would be willing to do a tour. It just might answer some of the questions I have about the industry.
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I've stayed in motels for a week and never had the room cleaned or bed made.

One of the reasons I decided to buy a travel trailer.
Try taking the 'do not disturb' off your door and it will get cleaned every day. I say in S8's when I hunt for a week and never had an issue.
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The manufacture is pointing fingers at the dealers. The dealers are pointing fingers at the manufacture.
I question whether the manufacture actually has the parts in stock and do they refuse to ship what they have for fear of holding up production. Are they having trouble with their suppliers?
Perhaps it is a problem with the way they distribute. Maybe some money spent in distribution centers might help.
Has anyone toured a plant? I would be interested in what your impressions were. I sure would be willing to do a tour. It just might answer some of the questions I have about the industry.
First off, FR is a wholly owned subsidary of Berkshire Hathaway, aka: Warren Buffett so I don't believe financing is an issue and...

I've been to a couple FR facilities more than once unannounced at that and other than the Amish milling about, they all seem pretty well organized and have plenty of stock on hand. You see, I live about 50 minutes from the Elkhart area. One reason I bought FR. I'm close if I need parts, I just drop in. In fact, Brian at Palomino (he's the parts manager and HR person) and I are pretty good friends. No one says anything, I can cruise the plant (with proper PPE of course). I like watching them build units anyway. Being semi retired, I have the time to nebbish.

Don't want to go on a 'tour'. Thats when they show you what they want you to see. I prefer the casual method.
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I read it as well, I subscribe to the business end of the industry like yo. Every 'power dinner, lunch or breakfast' I've been to (and I've been to a few) is more about grooming each other and inflating ego's than actual constructive discussion, one reason I don't go anymore, besides the fact I'm semi retired now.

I always went for the food and not having to foot the bill. Far as being constructive, not really.

From what I see and can digest (not being in the industry and just reading what you read and observing posts on here and elsewhere, as I frequent numerous RV forums), Lippert operates under the 'build it cheap and stack them deep philosophy), at least with their chassis division. I see that they are buying up other component manufacturers (HappyJac for one). Hopefully, that manufacturing philosophy don't migrate into the businesses they acquire.

Getting out my crystal ball and predicting the future can be tough but, the industry is very cyclical and totally dependent on energy prices.

Right now, it's boom but a spike in energy prices will spell doom and gloom for the RV industry and as volatile as energy prices are, I suspect that in the not too distant future, fuel prices will increase, substantially.

When they do, the boom will become bust, much like it did 10 years ago.

Maybe then the industry will actually attempt at building a quality product and get away from the 'get them out the door as quick as possible and forget about QC. Let the end user deal with it...

My view as an independent businessman.

There are very high quality RV's out there but you'll pay for them, much more than any FR product produced today. Airstream comes to mind right away, for one.
An now Airsteam has been bought out
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An now Airsteam has been bought out
When and by who? I'm not finding the info anywhere.
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