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Old 10-17-2016, 12:48 PM   #1
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Upgrading Question

After many years of tent camping, my husband and I bought a pop up (new, but last model year discount). It's so much better than a tent, but we are not realizing that it's not really what we wanted for the long run.

The pop up is much faster to set up than a tent, but I hate how cramped everyone is in it (2 adults, 1 very active 4 year old, and 2 fifty pound dogs). Once we are all in there, no one can move in any direction. Also, there is no where to put anything once we are there and it's always a mess of bags and bins. So, we're looking at hybrids, (particularly the Roo or Shamrock 233s).

My question is: is it crazy to upgrade so soon? Has anyone else upgraded within a year of purchasing a camper? Are we better off sucking it up with the pop-up and waiting another year or two? Or will the continued depreciation make it not really matter?

Any advice or experiences would be appreciated!
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Old 10-17-2016, 02:28 PM   #2
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Yes, you will take a hit financially, but because of the difference in price between a pup and a hybrid, it will still probably be doable. Bigger question is ...will you also have to upgrade your tow vehicle? Potentially a much bigger expense. Might want to post your tv specs so the weight police here can advise.
In all reality, a 233s should be pulled by a half ton pickup or body on frame suv like a Tahoe or Durango.
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Old 10-17-2016, 02:31 PM   #3
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Checked your profile and saw "Ford Escape". A 233s is too much for it. Hope you have something else in your garage.
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Old 10-17-2016, 02:38 PM   #4
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My husband's lease is up in January, and we were going to a truck regardless. We were looking at an F150. So, that wouldn't be an additional expense (as in it's already in the budget).
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Old 10-17-2016, 05:07 PM   #5
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Way to plan ahead. All too many people buy the camper thinking their current tv will handle it, then get the bad news later.
About the camper, we went the same route as you. Tent, pup, hybrid. Not two in the same year tho. Our 23ikss is great. Wish we had it or the233s when the kids were young. But it's still good now when grandkids tag along.
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Yeah, we definitely want to upgrade at some point, so we figure we should get a truck that can pull most anything we'd want. Plus, my husband just really wants a truck :-)
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My DW and I recently went through this exact experience. We purchased our pup back in January, but after out second trip, we realized we needed something with more room, and easier to set up. We took the hit, and upgraded to a 2017 Roo 21ss in July. Even though we took a bit of a hit in the deal, we're happy with our decision, and I know we'll get more use from the Roo than we would have with the pup.


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Old 10-18-2016, 11:56 AM   #8
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Yeah, we definitely want to upgrade at some point, so we figure we should get a truck that can pull most anything we'd want. Plus, my husband just really wants a truck :-)
Check the towing specs on the half ton you are interested in. Some half tons just don't have that much tow capability, so down the road WHEN you want to upgarde to a bigger TT, you are again looking at another purchase. I'd recommend a three quarter ton.
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My husband's lease is up in January, and we were going to a truck regardless. We were looking at an F150. So, that wouldn't be an additional expense (as in it's already in the budget).
First no, it is NOT unusual to upgrade - even after a couple years. We are poster children for that:

Tents->PopUp->Travel Trailer->5th Wheel->Motorhome

In your case, you may want to skip right to the 5th wheel (if the budget allows). Our Rockwood was a great pull behind and at your family stage, will most likely last many years. The one I have in mind is this one:

Rockwood Signature Ultra Lite Fifth Wheels / Travel Trailers by Forest River RV

And, assuming you are Getting the F150 EcoBoost with a tow package, you will be well within you GVWR
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Think ahead, think ahead... we went from a 19' Apex TT to a 30' Rockwood TT to a 37' Cedar Creek Silverback 5th wheel which drove us from a Toyota Highlander to an F150 ecoboost to an F250 diesel.. LOL... all in about 3 years.. ouch

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Old 10-18-2016, 05:28 PM   #11
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Thanks everyone for the replies.

For those suggesting to go for something bigger, our main issue is that we need three sleeping areas. My husband is an epic snorer, and having him only a few feet from my head is disastrous - I can't get any sleep. So we need to sleep separately. While my daughter is only 4 now, so we could share, I'm trying to think ahead that she will want her own space at some point. The TTs I'm seeing really don't allow for the configuration we need. My DH wouldn't be thrilled to be crammed into a bunk bed, and I don't want to put down the table every night. So the 3 bed hybrid with the slide out seems ideal. Everyone gets their own sleeping area and it's all fair and equal :-). Plus if my husband sleeps in the bed behind the bathroom, we could probably rig up a heavy curtain to drown out some of the noise!

I'm glad to hear that others have upgraded rather quickly - makes me feel less crazy! I think we're going to have to run the numbers and try to convince ourselves to wait another year so it's not so much money. We could probably swing it, but it just feels so wasteful.
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If you have something that is inconvenient or doesn't meet your needs, you won't use it. Also wasteful.
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Old 10-18-2016, 07:41 PM   #13
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Thanks everyone for the replies.


I'm glad to hear that others have upgraded rather quickly - makes me feel less crazy! I think we're going to have to run the numbers and try to convince ourselves to wait another year so it's not so much money. We could probably swing it, but it just feels so wasteful.
Sarahliz223 There is nothing that says you have to buy new and spend a ton of money. Why not go with something bigger, but that is slightly used but tenderly taken care of. There many great rigs out there just crying for a family new to RVing to buy them. On the plus side you can either trade in your current rig before it get older an worth less or sell it outright. Then later after learning what you like and don't like upgrade to a new rig. JMHO
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Gonna throw out another possibility for you. We used to be able to set up camp with our pup in about a half hour, but my wife is very organized (not implying you're not) and after several re dos, came up with good plans. We had several large plastic totes we either kept loaded or loaded day of departure. Also had big fold down table we kept under the awning. Kept dry food box on it.
Also , look on Pinterest or other websites. I know...hard to believe some old dude would recommend Pinterest, but my wife has found many camping forums and tips there.
I realize this won't help the snoring issue but might help with the clutter.
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Thanks everyone for the replies.

For those suggesting to go for something bigger, our main issue is that we need three sleeping areas. My husband is an epic snorer, and having him only a few feet from my head is disastrous - I can't get any sleep. So we need to sleep separately. While my daughter is only 4 now, so we could share, I'm trying to think ahead that she will want her own space at some point. The TTs I'm seeing really don't allow for the configuration we need. My DH wouldn't be thrilled to be crammed into a bunk bed, and I don't want to put down the table every night. So the 3 bed hybrid with the slide out seems ideal. Everyone gets their own sleeping area and it's all fair and equal :-). Plus if my husband sleeps in the bed behind the bathroom, we could probably rig up a heavy curtain to drown out some of the noise!

I'm glad to hear that others have upgraded rather quickly - makes me feel less crazy! I think we're going to have to run the numbers and try to convince ourselves to wait another year so it's not so much money. We could probably swing it, but it just feels so wasteful.
http://www.forestriverforums.com/for...one-97076.html

Here is our story.

As for wasteful in the money department a quote I always keep in the back of my mind is "you can't put a price on family memories"

hope that helps,
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Well, its been said many many times to buy your 2nd camper 1st. We spent over 20 years in popups, went to a hybrid in part due to a grandchild on the way(now a 5 YO)....Loved it...but even though it was longer with better storage...there was less room/floor space then our Pu'p. 2 years later we moved to another HTT about the same size, but layout and slide made a huge difference. We decided very shortly after getting the 1st to look for the 2nd, and research/looking at every hybrid we could find began, both online and in person.
In the mean time we camped.....
What type trips do you do? 2 one week trips a year VS 19 weekend trips (us so far)The Hybrid shines on short trips, and in part its why we camp more often now, and we were good setting up the Pu'p.
Research www.popupportal.com Tons of info and ideas on both type campers.
The amount of time you spend setting up and organizing will both improve and quicken the end results regardless of what camper you have.

The snoring....well....but him outside in the old tent????
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For you I think it will all be about floor space.
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You're not going to get much "insulation" from the snoring in a hybrid. I know that Palomino has a new Puma TT bunkhouse floorplan that offers a queen bed option in the bunk room. You'd also have a queen up front. And, you'd still have the table and sofa that would make beds. 3 areas separated by doors rather than curtains. Wish they'd had that floorplan when I bought my current Puma bunkhouse. You will need an F250, but the cost between that and the F150, if you go with gas rather than diesel, is minimal. Here is a link to one at RVWholesalers. I've been doing business with them for years- great folks and great prices, btw.

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I'm assuming that you already deal (and is ok) with the snoring problem and canvas (tents / pop up) so the only thing I would call your attention too is that Hybrids are for people that like the canvas thing.
If you still like that, they are perfect for you.

Another option is to buy a 23IKSS and have your husband on the rear bed, with you and your kid on the front bed and the dogs on the couch....

Now, if you are not trilled by the canvas thing anymore, for the price (and weight) of a rockwood Hybrid you can buy a Passport 2920BH, for example, that has plenty of room and your husband on the front bedroom would be separated from everybody by real doors.

As for the TV:
The price of a F250 gas is just a little bit above an F150 but it can tow and carry a lot.

Just food for thought.
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Sarah, I think you'll be happy with the 233. All the 23xx's are kind of heavy but it looks like you're well on your way to the right decision of replacing your tow vehicle. Since it appears you like to lease, TV for future trailers shouldn't be an issue. You've hit on the natural progression for rv'ers. Though some may skip some of the middle guys and jump right to motorhomes. For setup times, I think it takes longer to setup a hybrid than a pup. You can carry more stuff.
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