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Old 12-13-2016, 01:25 PM   #21
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Old 12-13-2016, 01:26 PM   #22
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I guess I need to read up on pin weight. My Chevy has the factory towing package stating 9,000 lbs.
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Towing capacity is useless without knowing the truck's payload capacity, ESPECIALLY regarding 5th wheels.
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Old 12-13-2016, 01:29 PM   #23
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I guess I need to read up on pin weight. My Chevy has the factory towing package stating 9,000 lbs.
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That's 9,000# Loaded. Which means the empty weight will be around 7,000#. The tongue weight for a fifth wheel is usually around 20% of the total. With a 9,000# gross weight that means around 1800# will be in the truck bed PLUS the weight of the hitch, passengers and fuel. This will easily put the load in your truck at around 2400-2500#. Will your truck be able to haul that much weight??
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Old 12-13-2016, 01:31 PM   #24
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This is the worse site in the world to tell anyone you are towing with a 1/2 ton truck. They will always tell you that you don't have enough truck.



That's because most of the time it's true!

At one time or another, I'd be almost positive we've UNDER estimated what we are towing weighs and OVER estimated what we can tow! I would say the only way you can tow a 5th wheel with a Chevy is if it has the Max Tow package, which has a 2000# payload capacity....but after you add passengers and cargo, you'd still be pushing it to the limit.
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Old 12-13-2016, 01:33 PM   #25
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I had a 7000 lb 5 th wheel pulled it with 1/2 ton ford 4x4 with 5.4 and towing pkg-- no problens ( had a slider) traded up to a 30 ft superlite flagstaff (8010 3 dry wt) 3 slides, still no problems. 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton does not make much difference if you do not have the power for it. a 3/4 ton or 1 ton for that matter is no more powerful than a 1/2 ton with the same engine- diff transmissions will give you more torque. tire load is the other key. you can always add overload spring if squatting becomes an issue.
Pulling it (i.e. towing rating) is rarely an issue. Ford's 5.4L, 5.0L and 3.5L Ecoboost motors have the power to pull small 5ers. Supporting the pin weight and staying under the GVWR (i.e. payload capacity) is the issue. Half tons have lighter frames, axles, wheels, bearings and tires. You aren't going to swap out the axles or the frame to improve the GVWR.

Most modern 5th wheels, even a small ultralights like the Rockwood 2440WS (actual length 27'), will have a loaded pin weight well over 1500#. The more popular 5ers that are around 30'-32' long will have a loaded pin weight of 2000+# which will exceed the GVWR on almost all 1/2 tons (Ford's HD Payload option may be the exception).

Lots of folks don't care about keeping it under the GVWR because they know there is always a safety factor built-in, but the heavier you are the more you eat into that safety factor and won't have it available in an emergency maneuver.

Ultimately, as long as the combo stops and otherwise performs well, you can do what you like.
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Old 12-13-2016, 01:41 PM   #26
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The pullrite systems work very well with 5.5' beds
Pullright's website says the 12K model will work in a 5.5' bed so you're right. They don't say that the 16K model will work in that short of a bed though.
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Old 12-13-2016, 01:44 PM   #27
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Before you look at a slider hitch or sidewinder look at the Open Range Light fifth wheels. Specifically designed for 5.5 ft beds. Units are light weight and reasonably good quality.
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Old 12-13-2016, 01:50 PM   #28
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Pullright's website says the 12K model will work in a 5.5' bed so you're right. They don't say that the 16K model will work in that short of a bed though.
The 16K model 3300 works just great in my Sierra short bed.
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Old 12-13-2016, 01:52 PM   #29
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You may spend a lot of money for a special hitch that will work in your 5.5' box and get your truck all set up then find it gives you a white knuckle experience when you try towing for the first time. Now what? Then you move to a bigger truck and start all over with a new hitch and on and on...
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Old 12-13-2016, 02:02 PM   #30
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With a 2008 GMC 3/4 ton Sierra Crewcab (Duramax Diesel w/Allison transmission) my 5th wheel tow rating is over 15,000 pounds. However, with that heavy engine and transmission, the remaining payload is maxed out with our 9,000 pound 5th wheel.

Had we gone with a travel trailer, we could have gotten a much larger trailer (up to 12,000 pounds since more of the trailer's weight would be born by the trailer and not the truck).

I have to say, towing the ultra-light 5th wheel is a dream and I have to keep alert to remind myself there is 30 feet of camper back there.
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Old 12-13-2016, 03:10 PM   #31
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That's 9,000# Loaded. Which means the empty weight will be around 7,000#. The tongue weight for a fifth wheel is usually around 20% of the total. With a 9,000# gross weight that means around 1800# will be in the truck bed PLUS the weight of the hitch, passengers and fuel. This will easily put the load in your truck at around 2400-2500#. Will your truck be able to haul that much weight??
Pulling the weight is not the problem but as you correctly stated the payload could be.
My 31' 5er loaded 9000lbs. plus hitch, passengers, has a total payload of 2400 lbs. Even most 3/4 ton diesels would be near or over the recommended max payload for my unit. My pin weight comes out between 20% and 21% of loaded 5er weight. Of course a 5er front cab design will have some effect on the hitch that is needed but I doubt that even a slider will work on a 5.5 ' bed. etrailer.com can help him figure what hitch he would need.
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Old 12-13-2016, 03:33 PM   #32
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It took my wife and me nearly 10 years to finally make the change from Travel Trailer to 5th Wheel. We tow with a Siverado 2500 HD Diesel, so we have far more capacity than your 1500. We selected a "Super Glide" sliding hitch by "PullRite", and it has performed flawlessly. Our truck bed is 6' 6", but we wanted to make sure there was no chance of interference between the front of the 5er and the back of our crew cab. I would recommend visiting any major RV shows that may come to your area before making a final selection. The annual RV show that comes to the Los Angeles Fairgrounds every October is still one of favorite ways to pass a day of "window shopping" even when we are not in the market for a new rig.
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Old 12-13-2016, 03:34 PM   #33
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I pull my Crusader Lite 28RL with a Toyota Tundra V-8 and
Have had no issues. Is a towing vehicle with trans cooler, etc.
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All being said above, in my opinion you are going to be over loaded when you do the math. Maybe you can do as some have said and get by with no problems but unlikely. Now after you are on the road and there is an accident how do you think things will happen if it's not your fault but you are over loaded? You are going to lose! You were driving an unsafe vehicle, the insurance companies will have a field day! Think about that.

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Old 12-13-2016, 04:01 PM   #35
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The 16K model 3300 works just great in my Sierra short bed.
I believe you have 6.5 bed while ops is only 5.5
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Old 12-13-2016, 04:13 PM   #36
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I pulled a 30' FW with a 2004 F150 with a 5-1/2' bed. Needed a Pullrite auto sliding hitch. Worked fine but never did any serious mountain driving.
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My empty pin weight is 1400 lbs. Empty 6er weight just over 7400 lbs. Open Range Light design does not require a slider hitch for a 5.5 ft bed. Check it out.
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Old 12-13-2016, 04:20 PM   #38
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x2 on the Pullrite Superglide.. It just works with out having to touch it..
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Old 12-13-2016, 05:35 PM   #39
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Old 12-13-2016, 06:35 PM   #40
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The best hitch you can get is a superglide automatic sliding hitch It is an automatic sliding hitch. Know where you can get one cheap.
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