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Old 01-15-2019, 04:28 PM   #21
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Im not talking about price per pound, it is a given that is higher. Im saying if you have a 20# container with 15# of fuel, use the fuel and then swap the 20# container with another 20# container with 15# of fuel, then you are no worse off.
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Old 01-15-2019, 04:33 PM   #22
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Im not talking about price per pound, it is a given that is higher. Im saying if you have a 20# container with 15# of fuel, use the fuel and then swap the 20# container with another 20# container with 15# of fuel, then you are no worse off.
EXCEPT... you are paying way more for the 15# of fuel than what you could easily get a 20# fill for. Couple that with running out quicker because you only have 15# and it doesn't take long to see you ARE worse off.
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Im not talking about price per pound, it is a given that is higher. Im saying if you have a 20# container with 15# of fuel, use the fuel and then swap the 20# container with another 20# container with 15# of fuel, then you are no worse off.
I can swap my tank and get 15# of propane for $20 at Lowes or I can completely fill my tank to 20#(4.7 gallons of propane at $3.85/gallon)for $18!!!!


Simple math...at least for some people.
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Babcok it is simple reading & comprehension. I am not talking about $/pound and stated such in my post. So before you get snarky, why don’t you consider understanding the post you are responding to first.
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Babcok it is simple reading & comprehension. I am not talking about $/pound and stated such in my post. So before you get snarky, why don’t you consider understanding first.
No...it's simple math.


You will exchange your tank 20 times while I fill my tank 15 times and I will spend less money.


$400 for you....$270 for me....and 5 less trips!
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I can swap my tank and get 15# of propane for $20 at Lowes or I can completely fill my tank to 20#(4.7 gallons of propane at $3.85/gallon)for $18!!!!


Simple math...at least for some people.
I can swap my tank and get 15# of propane for $20 at Lowe’s, or I can completely fill my tank to 20# (20 pounds of propane at $.35/pound) for $7.00!!!!

Simple math...at least for other people.

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That has NOTHING to do with MY post.
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That has NOTHING to do with MY post.
You tripped him up.

Edit: I tripped myself up.

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Fill 20 lbs at Costco, only pay for what you need, if you need a full 20 lbs is $12. A convient easy OCS Store or corner store swap out is $30.00. A new tank is $24. Buy a spare tank and fill it would be paid for after the first refill.
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That has NOTHING to do with MY post.
I get what you are saying, but your entire scenario is unrealistic.

The only way it makes sense is if the very first propane tank you ever bought came from an exchange and you only ever exchanged at that exact same location or another similair location that gave you a 3/4 full tank. Then you'd forever and always have a tank that's only 3/4 full and never technically "lose" that extra 1/4.

But the fact remains that you'd still be paying a lot more per pound than if you took it somewhere else to get it refilled instead, which is what everyone else is pointing out.
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“industry standard” of putting just 14# to 15# into a 20# tank and calling it “full”.
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I'm not saying it's not a crappy tactic, because it is. But I was under the impression that part of the reason these propane tanks are "Full" is because of the laws surrounding transporting them en masse.

I could be completely wrong, but I read somewhere that a company like Blue Rhino couldn't provide a full 20# because they couldn't transport them to all of their locations while full.

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I'm not saying it's not a crappy tactic, because it is. But I was under the impression that part of the reason these propane tanks are "Full" is because of the laws surrounding transporting them en masse.

I could be completely wrong, but I read somewhere that a company like Blue Rhino couldn't provide a full 20# because they couldn't transport them to all of their locations while full.
In the link that rockfordroo posted in post #4, I have a supporting link there to one of the federal government lawsuits against blue rhino and amerigas. It explains what and why they did what they did.
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I'm not saying it's not a crappy tactic, because it is. But I was under the impression that part of the reason these propane tanks are "Full" is because of the laws surrounding transporting them en masse.

I could be completely wrong, but I read somewhere that a company like Blue Rhino couldn't provide a full 20# because they couldn't transport them to all of their locations while full.

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I'm completely wrong.
They used to fill them to 17# and then dropped them to 15#.


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Inflationary pressures, including the volatile costs of steel, diesel fuel, and propane, have had a significant impact on the cylinder exchange industry. In 2008, to help control these rising costs, Blue Rhino followed the example of other consumer products companies with a product content change. We reduced the amount of propane in our tanks from 17 pounds to 15 pounds.

It's just a money thing.
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I'm considering a 30 pound tank to replace my single 20 pound tank on my TT. So when I get it filled, I'll essentially double my propane load since I WAS one of those tank swapper guys. Refilling my original 20# and taking a spare 20# that I get filled would almost triple my propane!
It's like, man, the new math! Like, common core
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My last fill of my 30# (7 gal.) tanks at Quartzite last January was $1.99 per pound delivered to my trailer. I had one tank that was about 1/2 full and another that was empty. They charged me by the gallon for only what would fit in the tanks and yes they do a slight release at the end to insure its not overfilled. So basically, it's $28 to fill 60# vs. about $75 doing triple 20# swaps.

On the road I look for Tractor Supply (TSC) for the best price and most convenient fill service. In Dallas my last fill was $2.80 a gallon.
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I have been blocked from every Facebook page by every company that has advertised tank swaps on my Facebook page. Every company has claimed they swap out your empty tank for a “full” tank. Whenever one of the ads shows up, I post the truth about what their “full” tank really is after I first rate their company and post my review. They can delete my posts, but they can’t change or manipulate any of the reviews posted by anybody.

When the companies have decided to debate my posts, they always talk about the “industry standard” of putting just 14# to 15# into a 20# tank and calling it “full”. Some have directed me to their fine print, which is always buried and not obvious to those not looking for it, which discloses this dirty truth. Some have tried to get away with the “only fill to 80%” of tank size argument, which is a total lie. A 20# tank is sized such that it will hold 20# of propane — not 80% of 20#. The debates don’t continue long after that, and my posts are deleted and I am blocked. However, my detailed and informative reviews remain until they start a new Facebook page.

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I get what you are saying, but your entire scenario is unrealistic.

The only way it makes sense is if the very first propane tank you ever bought came from an exchange and you only ever exchanged at that exact same location or another similair location that gave you a 3/4 full tank. Then you'd forever and always have a tank that's only 3/4 full and never technically "lose" that extra 1/4.

But the fact remains that you'd still be paying a lot more per pound than if you took it somewhere else to get it refilled instead, which is what everyone else is pointing out.
Finally someone smart enough to get it. People do this on their backyard bbqs all the time. Not everyone is so poor they freak out over a couple of dollars. I fill my TT tanks at the local propane place cheap too. But if I’m already going to Home Depot for something, I’ll trade out my bbq tank. It’s not worth my time and gas $ to save $3-4, that’s just penny wise and pound foolish as they say. It’s also not the “simple math” that some are only able to do.
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I get what you are saying, but your entire scenario is unrealistic.

The only way it makes sense is if the very first propane tank you ever bought came from an exchange and you only ever exchanged at that exact same location or another similair location that gave you a 3/4 full tank. Then you'd forever and always have a tank that's only 3/4 full and never technically "lose" that extra 1/4.

But the fact remains that you'd still be paying a lot more per pound than if you took it somewhere else to get it refilled instead, which is what everyone else is pointing out.
But even then it makes no sense since the price of the 3/4 filled tank WITHOUT an exchange is even more outrageous. Locally they are $55.

You can put lipstick on this pig all you want but the outcome is the same. But hey... if you got money to burn, why do you even need propane? Fire is fire!
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But if I’m already going to Home Depot for something, I’ll trade out my bbq tank. It’s not worth my time and gas $ to save $3-4
LOiL...it takes more time for me to wait for the guy to go out and unlock the cage and sift through the tanks finding a "full" one than it takes to stop off at the local u-haul and actually completely "fill" my tank!
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Finally someone smart enough to get it. People do this on their backyard bbqs all the time. Not everyone is so poor they freak out over a couple of dollars. I fill my TT tanks at the local propane place cheap too. But if I’m already going to Home Depot for something, I’ll trade out my bbq tank. It’s not worth my time and gas $ to save $3-4, that’s just penny wise and pound foolish as they say. It’s also not the “simple math” that some are only able to do.

Still not following even your math comments now. Looking at Home Depots site, they are charging $18.97 for a 15 pound exchange which with tax where I am at is $20.96 or $1.397 per pound. (20.96/15 pounds)


I just filled mine at Tractor supply for 0.63-0.65 cents per pound and showed so in this post earlier:


http://www.forestriverforums.com/for...ml#post2003239


So even by your standards, should I have only gotten 15 pounds at tractor supply to make this an apples to apples comparison that would be (15 pounds X 0.65) or $9.75 total.


$20.96 Home Depot minus $9.75 tractor Supply is $11.21 difference...or more than double and a lot more than the $3-4 comment you made above.


Taking it further, getting the full 20 pounds at .65 cents is $13 total.



$20.96 Home depot for 15 pounds minus $13 Tractor Supply for 20 pounds is $7.96 cheaper and an extra 5 pounds.


Still more than double your $3-4 comment above.


Now going to put the moderator hat on, as you keep arguing this up. You are accusing others of being snarky when you are doing just that yourself. It's time to let this go.
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