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Old 05-09-2017, 04:12 PM   #21
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The GA state campgounds that I've stayed at had Grey water dump stations placed throughout the campground. Basically a 4'x4' area with a 35 gal steel trashcan buried in gravel. Great idea.
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When I camped in a pup I had a 5 gallon jug I ran the hose into. I rigged a screen on the top to strain the solids and the gray went right on the ground... Did that for 3 years without an issue. Did this even at CG's. Right or wrong? I did not care, it is soapy water. No worse than washing my car... Me the cat (well that put me in the ER). Humans have been on this planet for thousands of years.. Many years of just dumping the water on the ground and we are still here.
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We boondock 80% of the time. Primitive campgrounds, state parks, open forest. We have a sewer outlet cover that allows us to attach a garden hose to it instead of the big sewer hose. Never had any qualms about cracking the gray valve and letting the gray tank slowly drain where I won't bother anything or anybody. Nothing but soapy water.

Some sites have even encouraged us to drain gray into planter and trees. Have never had any problems. Of course when there are lots of folks around I will sometimes do it in the dark of night, just to avoid folks who feel differently
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We have seen the intent of the popcorn comments appear to evolve in many cases from what Wobbles described to "Looks like this is a forum fight among members showing their 'keyboard courage' and, if not now, hopefully there will be a fight soon." Kinda reminds us of the old playground challenge "Let's you and him fight!".
Mr Dan,
I did not intend to encourage discourse. You pegged it right but the "hopefully" part, was never my intent. I tried to share that with the OP as the OP did not understand.

To the OP,
"Popcorn" is mentioned/posted by members to subscribe to a thread that may get interesting so they are notified that other comments have been added. That is why we want popcorn to munch on to watch the finish. This can be better than NASCAR. lol...

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In short, It is a simple way of subscribing to a thread and for others to make note of the fact that the topic may be bubbling up to a point that will require intervention.
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Quite frequently, (moreso as I get older) the need for relief will strike hard somewhere along the highway. There has been many a tree thank me.....and I thank them back. There's even one tree that is now one of my favorite pitstops...and I've watched it grow tall and strong over the years. I like to think I've made a small contribution.
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Quite frequently, (moreso as I get older) the need for relief will strike hard somewhere along the highway. There has been many a tree thank me.....and I thank them back. There's even one tree that is now one of my favorite pitstops...and I've watched it grow tall and strong over the years. I like to think I've made a small contribution.
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When I was a kid and we went camping, my parents would wait until late at night and crack the grey water valve open at our campsite at a state park.

Yeah, not the best practice in the world, but if its just dish water, I don't see a lot of harm in it, either.
That is the exact point of conflict... As said, tent campers do dishes in a dish pan on the camp table and slosh the water over to a plant or just the edge of that part of their site that they are using.

Kids come up from the lake and use the outside shower and with my luck half the time it drains up under our coach or worse. No one even blinks, but GOD help us all, the S!?# hits the fan if I shower IN DOORS then drain it on to the ground.

In Boys Scouts about 50 or 60 years ago the training as in the ARMY more recently taught us to dig a small personal pit to dispose of our human waste. No on died. And,,, what our horses and dogs do to the earth every day at home, WELL LET'S NOT SAY IT.

Gray water on needy plants, especially in So Cal and other drought torn places should be welcomed---OR NOT.

Some States I am told allow it and I know many call it unlawful waste water disposal.

Has anyone ever seen a list of the law by state?

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Tom, I'm pretty sure dumping gray water in California state park campgrounds, will result in being fined.

This is a quote from a California state park website that we stayed at recently:

SANITATION:* No person shall deposit waste, water, sewage, or effluent from sinks, portable toilets, and other plumbing fixtures directly upon or into the surface of the ground, pavement, sand, or water.**Visitors are responsible for any sanitation spills.**Outdoor showering not permitted.
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Yep..............entertaining reading though. Speaking of dead horses I had lunch yesterday at the Meadows casino/race track here in PA. I am fairly certain the slab of meat I had at the buffet finished 2nd in the 4th race.
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The problem is I, We, me ! In a moderate size campground of say 200 sites . Each site dumps 5 gallons of grey water a day. That's 1,000 gallons a day or 7,000 gallons a week. Water filled with salts, chemicals and food particles in a small area. Multiply by years of use ! Well then !
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Caramel MR Havercamp.

My dog dumps in my yard a few times a day and that is blackwater...i leave it to the mower to dispose of it.
In winter, I snow-blow a path in my yard so my pampered dog has a spot to take care of business. When I have to re-snow blow after he's been on our path, you can hear the frozen chunks fly through the blower shoot on their way to the road. Eventually getting run over by cars, trucks, and the city snow plow. Great winter fun and the only part of winter that makes me smile.
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How do you want your popcorn? Butter? Garlic salt? Caramel? Gray water?
I was thinking the same thing Mr. Havercamp...I'll Bring the machine...
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My dog dumps in my yard a few times a day and that is blackwater...i leave it to the mower to dispose of it.
Let's extend that analogy:
You have 150 neighbors and they all let their dog poop in your yard.
Every Day
All summer long.

Ditto the analogy with the single family septic leech field.
All your neighbors run their leech fields to your yard
See where this is going?

In fact, it is already there. In our County, we have had HUGE growth in the past 10 years and everyone in the county is on a septic system (this IS Alabama, after all )

Well, the county engineers have determined that we are almost at a saturation point, so the county has now mandated that all new developments have a sewer system.

So it really comes down to quantity, not contents. If you are 50 miles from nowhere, shoot dig a hole and dump your black tank!
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Let's extend that analogy:
You have 150 neighbors and they all let their dog poop in your yard.
Every Day
All summer long.

Ditto the analogy with the single family septic leech field.
All your neighbors run their leech fields to your yard
See where this is going?

In fact, it is already there. In our County, we have had HUGE growth in the past 10 years and everyone in the county is on a septic system (this IS Alabama, after all )

Well, the county engineers have determined that we are almost at a saturation point, so the county has now mandated that all new developments have a sewer system.

So it really comes down to quantity, not contents. If you are 50 miles from nowhere, shoot dig a hole and dump your black tank!
Good stuff...This makes sense. Less about environmental impact of single use but in mass quantity there are concerns. The challenge then becomes where the use line is drawn.

That appears to be a local city discussion and not a global one if that is the case. I would assume frequency, soil content/makeup and the local water table would all play a role in trying to determine how appropriate it would be in a given area when making the local laws and guidelines.
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I asked a park ranger why grey water is not allowed to be dumped in he camping area. The answer I got was, with as many campers they have in a tight area, some of the campgrounds would almost have a swamp. Since it would be hard to allow it in one area and not allow it in others, they decided to just make it an overall policy.

There are some states that treat grey water as hazardous material. We won't judge those states in this forum.
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Let's just assume everyone urinates while showering.... does that make the gray water, blackish?
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There are legitimate reasons why nearly every private and public campground in the country forbids the dumping of grey water. It is a matter of preventing the release of harmful pollutants into the environment. It is impossible to guarantee that every grey water holding tank does not contain some kind of pollutant that will damage the environment in every part of the nation.

If you are caught dumping grey water directly on the ground in any California State Park, you will be faced with consequences that will likely include a significant fine, and hours of remediation to try to clean up the mess you create. I have seen it happen many times.

Do the right thing, and dump your grey water into a sewage system whenever you can. The chemicals in most washing detergents that find their way into grey water tanks can cause unintended harm to the environment. If you choose to continue to dump your grey waste water into the campgrounds you visit, then please do not come to California.
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There are legitimate reasons why nearly every private and public campground in the country forbids the dumping of grey water. It is a matter of preventing the release of harmful pollutants into the environment. It is impossible to guarantee that every grey water holding tank does not contain some kind of pollutant that will damage the environment in every part of the nation.



If you are caught dumping grey water directly on the ground in any California State Park, you will be faced with consequences that will likely include a significant fine, and hours of remediation to try to clean up the mess you create. I have seen it happen many times.



Do the right thing, and dump your grey water into a sewage system whenever you can. The chemicals in most washing detergents that find their way into grey water tanks can cause unintended harm to the environment. If you choose to continue to dump your grey waste water into the campgrounds you visit, then please do not come to California.


Spoken like someone who has been brainwashed by the state for quite some time.

I'm waiting for Kalifornia to outlaw breathing because, well, "it is impossible to guarantee that every person does not exhale some kind of pollutant that will damage the environment in every part of the nation." That is real drama there folks.
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