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Old 07-31-2013, 10:27 PM   #1
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6.7 Cummins (2012) or 6.7 Ford (2011)

Which would be the better engine? I am torn, narrowing down my choices between a 2011 Ford F350 Lariat SRW or a 2012 Dodge Laramie 2500. I like both trucks and feel they are capable of doing what I need it to do. The 2011 comes equipped with the factory FW and the 2012 would have to have it installed. The 2011 is about $8250 cheaper but think I may be able to get them down on the 2012 Dodge. Which engine is more reliable and will cost me less in service in the long run? Do they both require DEF?
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Old 07-31-2013, 10:33 PM   #2
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Which would be the better engine? I am torn, narrowing down my choices between a 2011 Ford F350 Lariat SRW or a 2012 Dodge Laramie 2500. I like both trucks and feel they are capable of doing what I need it to do. The 2011 comes equipped with the factory FW and the 2012 would have to have it installed. The 2011 is about $9000 cheaper but think I may be able to get them down on the 2012 Dodge. Which engine is more reliable and will cost me less in service in the long run? Do they both require DEF?
Regarding the DEF question, our 2012 Ram 2500 3/4 ton pickup with the Cummins 6.7 diesel does not require DEF.
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:12 PM   #3
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If I was in your shoes I would choose the cummins. Not saying the ford is a bad choice but the cummins engines are very reliable. Both have close to the same power ratings but my vote still goes to cummins.
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:21 PM   #4
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The Ford will require DEF, but that 6.7 is a strong motor. The F350 will also have more payload capacity than the Dodge, but if you're in your numbers that won't be an issue. I'd drive each of them and buy the one you feel drives the best. I don't think you'll go wrong with either one.
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Old 08-01-2013, 04:39 AM   #5
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My V8 2011 F250 with the 6.7 is rated at 400 hp, 800 ft/lbs. (I don't think the cummings 6 cylnder is even close). With a 3.31:1 axle ratio and after 20,000 miles I say that I use about a 21/2 gallon jug of DEF fluid that cost $12 at Walmart about every 2000 miles.
I've had no problems, gets around 18-20 mpg, towing a 11K lbs gets around 11 mpg.
I'd buy the one that has cooled and heated seats. This time of year I love the air conditioned seats that my Ford came with.
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Old 08-01-2013, 05:23 AM   #6
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They are both good trucks and as was told to you before in your other posts about opinions on trucks, make sure the 3/4 ton meets all your required specs and then it comes down to which one you like the best.
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Old 08-01-2013, 07:23 AM   #7
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My V8 2011 F250 with the 6.7 is rated at 400 hp, 800 ft/lbs. (I don't think the cummings 6 cylnder is even close). With a 3.31:1 axle ratio and after 20,000 miles I say that I use about a 21/2 gallon jug of DEF fluid that cost $12 at Walmart about every 2000 miles.
I've had no problems, gets around 18-20 mpg, towing a 11K lbs gets around 11 mpg.
I'd buy the one that has cooled and heated seats. This time of year I love the air conditioned seats that my Ford came with.

Uh... the cummins produces the exact same amount of power... Except it is doing it with 6 cylinders rather than 8... far less moving components which to me translates into reliability...

I would highly doubt there are any new diesels out getting 18-20 on a regular basis. That would require such a light foot at ALL times... I average that with mine driving 60 miles a day but I don't have any of the emissions crap on the newer ones and I have done a few other mods to improve the mileage... I would assume that if you are truly getting those numbers they are coming from the computer of the truck with is always know to be high! If that's the case I get 24.2MPG with mine!


Back to the question at hand, I would suggest the cummins for a couple of reasons! First off the 2012 cummins without the DEF is going to be the truck to have! It is going to be the truck just before another emissions addition and come time to sell or trade the truck and people looking for a diesel will be looking for exactly that! (I bought my 2006 because it is the last full year of the 5.9 before they switched to the more powerful but restricted 6.7) I also suggest the cummins because of the simplicity of the motor in comparisons to the competition which is running v8 diesels vs dodges Inline 6. Fewer moving parts and simpler design screams reliability...

They will be pretty much the same, as they all really are and it comes down to preference really is all...
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I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on this process. What you thought about each after test driving them both, etc. then why you choose one over the other.
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:53 AM   #9
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My V8 2011 F250 with the 6.7 is rated at 400 hp, 800 ft/lbs. (I don't think the cummings 6 cylnder is even close). With a 3.31:1 axle ratio and after 20,000 miles I say that I use about a 21/2 gallon jug of DEF fluid that cost $12 at Walmart about every 2000 miles.
I've had no problems, gets around 18-20 mpg, towing a 11K lbs gets around 11 mpg.
I'd buy the one that has cooled and heated seats. This time of year I love the air conditioned seats that my Ford came with.
These comments always crack me up. First off, Cummings is a brand clothes for fat kids they used to make in Arkansas. Cummins (note the lack of a letter "g") is one of the oldest most respected makers of diesel engines in the world.

You might want to look at a few spec sheets before making a statement like that. Although the Big 3 like to one up each other every year or two, Cummins has traditionally produced higher torque numbers than Powerstroke year to year comparison. The differences are usually not significant. You comment that they are "not even close" is propaganda. In the past 10 years neither the Duramax, Powerstroke or Cummins have been "not even close" to each other. They are always within a small margin for rated torque value.

As a Ford driver, I would get the Cummins.
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I chose the Dodge Cummins when I purchased our in 2011. I figured that the main components to the engine as been around for years and has been throughly tested by every owner prior to me. These things haven't changed much, in fact the older 5.9L are probably better then the newer 6.7L engines do to the newer smog restrictions. Mine has only (Ha) 650 ftlbs of torgue (they upped the torgue to 800 ftlbs later that year) put pulls like a scolded pig. This thing has power. It gets 17mph on the highway and pulls our trailer at 12.5 to 13 mph. It has an engine brake feature that when used with the tow/ haul mode allows the engine drag to slow things down. This is a brake saver, I have gone down some pretty steep windy roads while towing and never had to touch the brakes. I don't know much about the Fords but I chose the cummins because of it's proven track record. I am glad I did, it is a great truck.
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I would choose Cummins. I really like the fords but would buy the cummins for my tow truck. I have a 2006 and I love it. When I decide to buy a new one it will be 6 cylinders. I had a 2005 ford powerstroke before the dodge. They were both comparable in power but the dodge tows so much better. Good luck with your choice.
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By the way my wifes cousin tows with a 2011 cummins and it is a beast.
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Old 08-01-2013, 10:33 PM   #13
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Let's put it this way. All of the most reliable transport trucks I've driven have had cummins engines. Never heard a big truck having a powerstroke. Btw I own and drive a ford f150
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As I have said in other threads I have used all of the big 3 to tow heavy trailers (15,000# +). The best that I have had and the most reliable is the ford. I currently have a 2013 cummins 6.7 and it does tow like a beast but the ride quality and the reliability just aren't the same as a ford. For instance my current cummins was in the shop for three weeks getting the def system redone with just 2000 miles on it! Just my two cents but I would never buy for a personal truck anything but ford due to having both the others and they are in the shop constantly. I am not trying to start a battle by any means but just giving my opinion!!
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For what it's worth in the Fire/Rescue picture most of our Fire apparatus has a cummins in it, except for an old Detroit or two that will really whoop some *****!!! But then our smaller pickup chassis for grass rigs and rescue squads are on Ford chassis...

As stated... it's going to be up to you to figure which you prefer comfort wise... Never heard anyone talk badly upon any of the diesels except the the 6.0L stroker...
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"My truck's better than your truck" that needs to be a country song.

I've had all three domestics
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Best ride, Chevy
Best built, Ford
Best motor, Dodge or Ram or Cummins (what ever they are called now)
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"My truck's better than your truck" that needs to be a country song.

I've had all three domestics
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Best ride, Chevy
Best built, Ford
Best motor, Dodge or Ram or Cummins (what ever they are called now)
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I got the 2011 F350 SRW. It had the most towing capacity for that year. Chevy was not an option because they don't have a full sized back seat and u have kids. I had a cummins and although the engine was awesome the "Dodge" part of the truck just keep breaking. Power windows, door handles, interior light, just about every plastic knob or button on the inside just broke after only 200,000 I was done. I bought a ford and could not be happier. Best built truck on the road.

I really wished they would put a cummins in a ford truck and be done with it
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I got the 2011 F350 SRW. It had the most towing capacity for that year. Chevy was not an option because they don't have a full sized back seat and u have kids. I had a cummins and although the engine was awesome the "Dodge" part of the truck just keep breaking. Power windows, door handles, interior light, just about every plastic knob or button on the inside just broke after only 200,000 I was done. I bought a ford and could not be happier. Best built truck on the road.

I really wished they would put a cummins in a ford truck and be done with it
X2 on that! A ford truck with a cummins now that's a win win
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X2 on that! A ford truck with a cummins now that's a win win
I wish all three used Cummins engines and Allison transmissions (the configuration of most motorhome chassis). Then it would truly be brand preference.

I had the old 7.3 Powerstroke, currently have the 6.7 Cummins. Night and day difference!

Love the power of the Cummins, love the exhaust brake, love the integrated brake controller. This is one sweet towing experience.
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I heard ford purchased cummins a few years ago, but dodge had a contract for the motor until 2016.
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