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Old 03-18-2017, 11:08 AM   #1
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Cyanide Bombs

I have never heard of these things, but after reading about them, they need to be removed. Looks like the Dept. of Ag is doing some dangerous things on Federal lands; and surprisingly this bomb was on BLM land, but very near a bunch of houses; and NO posted signs.

I wonder what these morons will say if or when one kills a kid or adult?

Also, note, per the locals in that area, there is no real predator threat; very few coyotes, no wolves, and occasional large cat. I believe I actually have a larger problem with coyotes where I live, and now I wonder, do I have to watch out for these while walking the dog?

Federal cyanide trap injures eastern Idaho boy, kills dog | Fox News

IN DEPTH: What is the device that killed a family dog and why have lawsuits been filed over its use? - KIFI

Update: Gov't agency issues statement after family dog killed by 'cyanide bomb' - East Idaho News

https://www.predatordefense.org/feat...Y_Amy_dogs.htm
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Good to know about these things.
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These things have been around for years just getting the news coverage now because of the young boy almost getting killed. I don't agree with this type of control, I think a better approach would be to open up the hunting in areas that have problems with predators.
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In my area the roads are littered with dead animals. The predators being motor vehicles.

Very rare to see a coyote (twice) or big cat (once). I was not aware of the poisoning. Hunting makes more sense to me.

I am disappointed in my local foxes, thay don't seem to be interested in my chipmunk herd. I guess their bellies are full of deer meat.
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Coyotes have a very strong presence in my area, hunted them for years for the bounty but it dropped below where it was worth it.

Back in it's day DDT was the cause of large scale wildlife kills as it worked up the food chain.

Mankind's effort to control wildlife has been an abysmal failure just like taking care of the land they live on.

Your post and the story simply add to the fact that the government has no business trying to control things above it pay grade.
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I am disappointed in my local foxes, thay don't seem to be interested in my chipmunk herd. I guess their bellies are full of deer meat.
Fox do not hunt or kill deer. They may eat on a deer carcass. They are to small of a canine to take on a deer.
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Fox do not hunt or kill deer. They may eat on a deer carcass. They are to small of a canine to take on a deer.
I will defer to those who are more knowledgeable than me in wildlife matters but there seems to be two different sizes of foxes in this area. Some are larger than our wire fox terrier or the weaton terrier we used to have.

There is no shortage of dead deer around here due to car strikes.
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I will defer to those who are more knowledgeable than me in wildlife matters but there seems to be two different sizes of foxes in this area. Some are larger than our wire fox terrier or the weaton terrier we used to have.

There is no shortage of dead deer around here due to car strikes.
Are the fox's a reddish color or kind of gray?
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Are the fox's a reddish color or kind of gray?
I usually see the smaller ones running across the road or as road kill. The larger ones I see romping in or passing through my back yard or adjoining yards.
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Reddish.
Ah, I have seen a couple of them at the bottom of a farmers field just up the road from here, people that live in the area have reported several cats and smaller dogs missing over the past three years F&G says to keep pets inside because they will make no effort to remove the fox's.
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I believe in shooting coyote and fox on sight they wreck havoc on game birds living in the baropits
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Foxes are slightly smaller than a medium-size domestic dog, with a flattened skull, upright triangular ears, a pointed, slightly upturned snout, and a long bushy tail.

Red fox males weigh on average between 4.1 and 8.7 kg (9.0 and 19.2 lb). Primarily feeds on small rodents, though it may also target rabbits, game birds, snakes and frogs. They may also feed on other fox breeds and small domestic animals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fox

The gray fox is mainly distinguished from most others by its grizzled upper parts, black-tipped tail and strong neck. The gray fox ranges from 76 to 112.5 cm (29.9 to 44.3 in) in total length. The tail measures 27.5 to 44.3 cm (10.8 to 17.4 in) of that length and its hind feet measure 100 to 150 mm (3.9 to 5.9 in). The gray fox typically weighs 3.6 to 7 kg (7.9 to 15.4 lb), though exceptionally can weigh as much as 9 kg (20 lb). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_fox
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We also have a huge flock of turkey vultures. Too many to count. I suppose they are also surviving on the dead deer.

This area was mostly farm and rural but has been developed to semi suburban.

Hunting is illegal here although we do hear "poachers" at least once a month.
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I believe in shooting coyote and fox on sight they wreck havoc on game birds living in the baropits
What is a baropit? Not in my dictionary.
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Foxes are slightly smaller than a medium-size domestic dog, with a flattened skull, upright triangular ears, a pointed, slightly upturned snout, and a long bushy tail.

Red fox males weigh on average between 4.1 and 8.7 kg (9.0 and 19.2 lb). Primarily feeds on small rodents, though it may also target rabbits, game birds, snakes and frogs. They may also feed on other fox breeds and small domestic animals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fox

The gray fox is mainly distinguished from most others by its grizzled upper parts, black-tipped tail and strong neck. The gray fox ranges from 76 to 112.5 cm (29.9 to 44.3 in) in total length. The tail measures 27.5 to 44.3 cm (10.8 to 17.4 in) of that length and its hind feet measure 100 to 150 mm (3.9 to 5.9 in). The gray fox typically weighs 3.6 to 7 kg (7.9 to 15.4 lb), though exceptionally can weigh as much as 9 kg (20 lb). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_fox
Thanks for that as it clears up some confusion. I used to see what I claimed were foxes on a local golf course on the Philadelphia border that had large wooded areas next to it. But they were grey and matched the description you have here. But then others told me foxes were grey and I was delusional.

The fox I have seen in my neighborhood are reddish. Some nearby residents have chicken coops which the foxes raid until they get shot.
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What is a baropit? Not in my dictionary.
It's in the middle of no place.
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It's in the middle of no place.
Found this on Wikipedia after a Google search: "A regional variation of this is termed "barrow pit" in the western United States (especially the Rocky Mountains). The localism describes the ditch along a roadway. These ditches were created to provide the fill to level and crown the roadway and subsequently provided drainage for the road.[2]"

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Regional or Idiomatic expressions

These can be fascinating. For instance- one I learned just a week ago:


What is generally known as a "Hoodie", and I grew up knowing as a "Kangaroo Sweater" is known in Saskatchewan as a "Bunny Hug"

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Some folks would call it the ditch we call it the "baropit" don't split the words and it is used to pull the gravel back to the road after plowing. Many game birds live in that area of the roads.
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