Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-11-2019, 02:33 PM   #1
Site Team
 
KyDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 8,866
No Smoking Zone!!

While walking in a popular park a couple miles from my home yesterday we heard sirens coming slowly from far off. Then we noticed a black smoke plume from the hill top a mile away.
Today we drove over to that area and found this in the parking lot.
The adjuster was sitting in his car writing it up and he told us
"a lady sitting in the PU truck was smoking and she tossed her butt out the window. A couple of minutes later she noticed the RV next to her on fire."
There was also a woman in the RV. She got out safely and by the time the FD found them they were both burned out.
I'm guessing it probably took10+ minutes from 911 until they arrived on scene probably due to panicked people not being able to tell FD exactly where they were.
I have to wonder why the woman in the PU truck didn't move away?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20190311_131234.jpg
Views:	180
Size:	273.2 KB
ID:	198507   Click image for larger version

Name:	20190311_131258.jpg
Views:	186
Size:	360.7 KB
ID:	198508   Click image for larger version

Name:	20190311_131324.jpg
Views:	177
Size:	426.9 KB
ID:	198509   Click image for larger version

Name:	20190311_135525.jpg
Views:	172
Size:	388.8 KB
ID:	198510   Click image for larger version

Name:	20190311_135530.jpg
Views:	171
Size:	427.2 KB
ID:	198511  

__________________
Peace!
Dan & Rita D
2017 Nissan Titan 5.6L King cab 4wd
1999 Suzuki Intruder Motorcycle
Blue Ox WD hitch

Camping days 2010-53, 2011-47, 2012-41, 2013-41, 2014-31, 2015-40, 2016-44, 2017-63, 2018-75, 2019-32, 2020-35
KyDan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2019, 02:47 PM   #2
Fulltime family RVer
 
ependydad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 19,906
Where possibly could a cigarette go, from the outside, to start a fire on an RV?

Unless she threw it into an open window, but the screen should have blocked it.
__________________
2018 Ram 3500 DRW/crew cab/long bed/4x4/4.10 gears pulling a 2017 Spartan 1245 by Prime Time
Checkout my site for RVing tips, tricks, and info | My family and I have fulltimed since June 2015
ependydad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2019, 02:53 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Chief T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico
Posts: 785
Quote:
Originally Posted by ependydad View Post
Where possibly could a cigarette go, from the outside, to start a fire on an RV?

Unless she threw it into an open window, but the screen should have blocked it.
Right... throwing a butt on the ground is common place. Unless there just so happened to be a small pool of gas around the RV that ignited.
__________________
2012 GMC Sierra 1500 SLT Z71 6.2l aka "Luci"
2020 Grand Design Imagine XLS 22 MLE aka "Desi"
Past: 2017 Prime Time Tracer Air 206
Days camped 2017: 7
Days camped 2018: 15
Days camped 2019: 17
Chief T is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2019, 02:54 PM   #4
Site Team
 
KyDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 8,866
My thoughts exactly.
How could you even do that on purpose much less by accident.
The side of the RV next to the PU truck had the Fridge and water heater.
And again, why didn't she move the truck?
__________________
Peace!
Dan & Rita D
2017 Nissan Titan 5.6L King cab 4wd
1999 Suzuki Intruder Motorcycle
Blue Ox WD hitch

Camping days 2010-53, 2011-47, 2012-41, 2013-41, 2014-31, 2015-40, 2016-44, 2017-63, 2018-75, 2019-32, 2020-35
KyDan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2019, 03:00 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
Chief T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico
Posts: 785
Could be an insurance scam. Also, where's the back plate on the PU?
__________________
2012 GMC Sierra 1500 SLT Z71 6.2l aka "Luci"
2020 Grand Design Imagine XLS 22 MLE aka "Desi"
Past: 2017 Prime Time Tracer Air 206
Days camped 2017: 7
Days camped 2018: 15
Days camped 2019: 17
Chief T is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2019, 03:06 PM   #6
Site Team
 
KyDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 8,866
Nylon plate screw anchors. Melted, plate fell off.
Adjuster said the PU owner had only liability so no coverage on the truck. He said Progressive had policies on both vehicles.
__________________
Peace!
Dan & Rita D
2017 Nissan Titan 5.6L King cab 4wd
1999 Suzuki Intruder Motorcycle
Blue Ox WD hitch

Camping days 2010-53, 2011-47, 2012-41, 2013-41, 2014-31, 2015-40, 2016-44, 2017-63, 2018-75, 2019-32, 2020-35
KyDan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2019, 03:12 PM   #7
RV There Yet?
 
IsleDog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Winona, MN
Posts: 789
interesting. wonder if it was flicked out the truck window and between the cab roof and body?
__________________
2018 17RP
2009 Crew Cab King Ranch F150 "Goose"
IsleDog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2019, 05:34 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: North of Seattle, WA
Posts: 8,421
Quote:
Originally Posted by KyDan View Post
While walking in a popular park a couple miles from my home yesterday we heard sirens coming slowly from far off. Then we noticed a black smoke plume from the hill top a mile away.
Today we drove over to that area and found this in the parking lot.
The adjuster was sitting in his car writing it up and he told us
"a lady sitting in the PU truck was smoking and she tossed her butt out the window. A couple of minutes later she noticed the RV next to her on fire."
There was also a woman in the RV. She got out safely and by the time the FD found them they were both burned out.
I'm guessing it probably took10+ minutes from 911 until they arrived on scene probably due to panicked people not being able to tell FD exactly where they were.
I have to wonder why the woman in the PU truck didn't move away?
It could be that the cigarette being thrown out was totally coincidental with the fire starting in the RV itself. From the visible damage it certainly looks possible and the P/U was just collateral damage.

Who knows. I'm surprised an adjuster showed up as rapidly as they did. When I called for an adjuster several years ago I had to make an appointment for the next week.
__________________
"A wise man can change his mind. A fool never will."

"Sometimes you're the dog, sometimes you're the tree"

2018 Flagstaff Micro Lite 25BDS
2004 Nissan Titan
TitanMike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2019, 08:15 AM   #9
Site Team
 
KyDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 8,866
It's ain't over till it's over!
Fire occurred Sunday afternoon.
TUESDAY the RV re-ignited!
FD had to come back and wet it down again!!

I can only guess the house battery in the RV might still have had some juice left.

They towed the PU on Tuesday but the RV and a huge mess and crater still remains in the parking lot.
__________________
Peace!
Dan & Rita D
2017 Nissan Titan 5.6L King cab 4wd
1999 Suzuki Intruder Motorcycle
Blue Ox WD hitch

Camping days 2010-53, 2011-47, 2012-41, 2013-41, 2014-31, 2015-40, 2016-44, 2017-63, 2018-75, 2019-32, 2020-35
KyDan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2019, 12:35 PM   #10
Head Rambler
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Southwest Alabama
Posts: 7,840
Might be a coincidence, but looking at pictures of those RV's the fuel door looks like it's right where the cigarette would have been thumped out. If they had just fueled up there could have been enough liquid fuel in the port or vapors to catch fire.
__________________
Salem 29RKSS Pushing a GMC Sierra 2500HD!
Gotta go campin!
Bama Rambler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2019, 01:11 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Liverpool NY
Posts: 861
Wondering if the awning side cab window of the RV was open and the tossed cigarette entered the RV that way. When I was a smoker it used to really steam me when fellow smokers treated the world as their ashtray (we were already looked upon as lepers and didn't need any more help). I always field stripped my cigs with the filter going in my pocket.
__________________
2015 Shamrock 231KSS, Oyster shell
2019 Chev Silverado LT Z71 Ext. Cab, 4x4, 5.3L V/8
Reese Straight Line WDH, 2000W Honda Gen.
2 Old Town kayaks & 2 Boston Terriers - Zoey/Gonzo
Lar & Ruth
55 nights camping 2015, 45 in 2016, 42 in 2017, 37 in 2018, 38 in 2019
CNYCamper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2019, 01:25 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 407
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chief T View Post
Right... throwing a butt on the ground is common place.
This is a fact that I will NEVER understand. We as a society have generally demonized littering but have given cigarette butts a pass.

I don't care if you smoke as long as I don't have to smell it, but pick up the dang trash.
kfergiez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2019, 01:51 PM   #13
Pickin', Campin', Mason
 
5picker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: South Western PA
Posts: 12,386
Quote:
Originally Posted by kfergiez View Post
This is a fact that I will NEVER understand. We as a society have generally demonized littering but have given cigarette butts a pass.

I don't care if you smoke as long as I don't have to smell it, but pick up the dang trash.
Getting a bit off topic here but I'm with you.
Dispose of properly!
And don't get me started about those who throw their butts in a fire ring.
We got to a campsite where the previous folks didn't have a fire but used the firepit as their personal outdoor ashtray. Must of been a hundred butts in there. The grand kids built a fire and we all smelled of cigarette smoke for an hour or two. Geesh!
__________________
_________________________________________
2016 Flagstaff 8529IKBS Diamond Package 5th Wheel-Goodyear Endurance Tires
2017 Ford F-Series SCREW 4x4 - Factory Puck B&W Companion
TST Tire Monitor w/Repeater - Sinemate 3500w Gen.

Days Camped: '17=30 '18=51 '19=58 '20=88
5picker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2019, 02:01 PM   #14
Senior Member
 
B and B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 10,665
Send a message via AIM to B and B
Might have been a propane leak and that ignited.
B and B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2019, 02:44 PM   #15
Denver To Yuma In 90 Days
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Yuma, Arizona
Posts: 3,882
Could have been a pile of leaves or some trash under the RV that ignited...

Just like a wildfire gets started.
JohnD10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2019, 03:14 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Reno, NV
Posts: 1,337
Quote:
Originally Posted by KyDan View Post
It's ain't over till it's over!
Fire occurred Sunday afternoon.
TUESDAY the RV re-ignited!
FD had to come back and wet it down again!!

I can only guess the house battery in the RV might still have had some juice left.

They towed the PU on Tuesday but the RV and a huge mess and crater still remains in the parking lot.
Don't firefighters cut the battery cables as part of the fire cool down process?
I think firefighters call it a "rekindle".
Quote:
Originally Posted by kfergiez View Post
This is a fact that I will NEVER understand. We as a society have generally demonized littering but have given cigarette butts a pass.

I don't care if you smoke as long as I don't have to smell it, but pick up the dang trash.


California has a law called te Paul Buzzo Act. I had a lit butt tossed at me while I was legally lane splitting on my Harley. It splashed on my windshield fortunately.
__________________
2018 Ram 2500 Tradesman, CTD/CC/SB/4X4/Equalizer WDH
2019 Forest River Surveyor Legend 19BHLE
upflying is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2019, 03:28 PM   #17
...far N Georgia!
 
formerFR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Hiawassee, GA!
Posts: 3,105
...reminds me of some years ago when my Uncle lent his nice new truck to his friend, so his friend could take his rv trailer on a camping trip, since his own truck was in the shop.

The friend and wife had the RV trailer parked next to the side of his house, with an extension cord run out the house window and to the trailer, to get it ready for loading for the trip, and to start the fridge cooling. He backed my Uncle's truck up, attached it to the trailer, and went back inside to finish up what was needed to be brought out from the house.

...but, when he returned outside, the truck was on fire, and looked like the fire was coming from under the hood, and from under the dash inside the truck. He said he tried to get into the truck, to try to move it, but the fire was so hot he certainly could not. He then tried to see if he could somehow unhook the trailer from the truck, but again, the heat from the fire within the truck was even too great to get close enough to the hitch.

Long story short - my Uncle's new TRUCK was rendered to ashes, with aluminum 'liquid' on the ground around it, the RV was burnt to the frame, AND the HOUSE also caught fire and was BURNT TO THE GROUND!

Now, that's someone who has really lost 'everything' : /


the cause? they 'think' it had to do with a 120v connection to the trailer, from the house, WHILE the RV was attached to the RUNNING truck - possibly a back-feed of 120v into the truck's fuse panel, overloading it and creating so much heat that it started the blaze from behind the dash. Because there was so much heat, the RV couldn't be detached, and because the RV was so close to the house, there was no way to move it to prevent the fire from spreading even to the house - wood siding doesn't like fire.


Now, add to this that my Uncle was also my insurance customer, as I'm an agent. He was a little 'miffed' at me in that his friend's insurance did not cover his truck, but HIS OWN Insurance would - meaning a loss on his own record, even though it was not his 'fault'... I could understand his frustration - lend your truck to a friend, lose your brand new truck to no fault of your own, and have it go on your own record as a 'total loss'!
__________________

The Turners...
'14 Thor Palazzo 33.3 compact diesel 100k+miles since '14... US, Alaska, Canada...
AND a '14 Gulfstream Amerlite
AND a '07 ForestRIver Rockwood : )
formerFR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2019, 03:58 PM   #18
Site Team
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Northen IL
Posts: 4,803
Quote:
Originally Posted by kfergiez View Post
This is a fact that I will NEVER understand. We as a society have generally demonized littering but have given cigarette butts a pass.

I don't care if you smoke as long as I don't have to smell it, but pick up the dang trash.
I don't know of anyone that has given cigarette butts a pass. Throwing a butt on the ground is still considered littering.

The problem is that you can't simply throw a flaming butt into a garbage can. You have to actually find an ashtray. And even though I'm not a smoker myself, I've noticed that in public you will probably find one ashtray for every 10 garbage cans. So they simply end up on the ground instead.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 5picker View Post
Getting a bit off topic here but I'm with you.
Dispose of properly!
And don't get me started about those who throw their butts in a fire ring.
We got to a campsite where the previous folks didn't have a fire but used the firepit as their personal outdoor ashtray. Must of been a hundred butts in there. The grand kids built a fire and we all smelled of cigarette smoke for an hour or two. Geesh!
I've had plenty of smokers throw their butts into my fire ring. I've never been able to tell the difference between the cigarette smoke and campfire smoke.
Iwritecode is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2019, 04:09 PM   #19
Site Team
 
KyDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 8,866
As mentioned you can field strip the butt, or bend down and snuff it on the ground or drop it step on it and pick it up. No ash tray is no excuse.
__________________
Peace!
Dan & Rita D
2017 Nissan Titan 5.6L King cab 4wd
1999 Suzuki Intruder Motorcycle
Blue Ox WD hitch

Camping days 2010-53, 2011-47, 2012-41, 2013-41, 2014-31, 2015-40, 2016-44, 2017-63, 2018-75, 2019-32, 2020-35
KyDan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2019, 04:16 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Port Charlotte Fl/Hinsdale Ma
Posts: 4,824
Quote:
Originally Posted by ependydad View Post
Where possibly could a cigarette go, from the outside, to start a fire on an RV?

Unless she threw it into an open window, but the screen should have blocked it.
Did you not notice that both front cab windows are side by side. No screens.
cavie is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Forest River, Inc. or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:19 AM.