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Tom C 47 10-23-2017 11:12 AM

Wrench and socket to torque the tires on a 2017 2800qs
 
I need to buy a wrench and socket to torque the rims on my unit. What torque wrench and size socket do I need. I do not have any way to determine the nut size. Thanks

rsdata 10-23-2017 11:21 AM

look up your local Harbor Freight store or go to harborfreight dot com

1/2 inch drive torque wrenches and an assortment of 1/2 inch impact wrench sockets, one of which will fit the lug nuts, will cost you under $50...

look online for 20% off coupons on one item, or sign up for their emails and wait for the stuff to go on sale ans still use the coupon...

Harbor Freight has their detractors, but for something like this you are getting a great deal on good tools...

510Rick 10-23-2017 11:30 AM

What he ^^ said and possibly a short extension .

K4DCF 10-23-2017 11:34 AM

Be carful of impact sockets as they have thicker walls and on my wheels they won’t fit in the lugnuts.

rsdata 10-23-2017 11:51 AM

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Be carful of impact sockets as they have thicker walls and on my wheels they won’t fit in the lugnuts.
yes, good point...

make sure you get a DEEP WELL socket set... not necessarily an impact socket set...

actually I have a couple of sets of these in my truck and at home... this set usually fits any lug nut installed on my truck AND camper, with 4 available sizes. Pretty handy to have when you need to change a flat.

Also spend another $10 for a 25 inch long breaker bar.

https://www.forestriverforums.com/Pho...socket_set.jpg

https://www.forestriverforums.com/Pho...um/breaker.jpg

muddyrode 10-23-2017 01:08 PM

remember the longer the torque wrench is, the less effort it takes to use it
the shorter are easier to store but take more effort to use

twiggw 10-23-2017 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 510Rick (Post 1653731)
What he ^^ said and possibly a short extension .

I second what he said. Use it on everything you own with highway tires on it.

babock 10-23-2017 01:33 PM

I wouldn't trust a Harbor Freight torque wrench as far as I could throw it. I had one that was off by 30%. Threw them all away and bought some CDI ones that are made by Snap On.

Waterops1 10-23-2017 01:48 PM

On my Viking 21RD, I need a 13/16” thin wall deep socket. 3/8” drive sockets are a bit thinner than 1/2” drive sockets.. I needed. a replacement lug nut and that one takes a 1/2” socket. I think I wil change all the lug nuts to those taking a 1/2” socket for the slightly improved clearance.

jimmoore13 10-23-2017 02:32 PM

A torque wrench is another matter, and it's a good option to apply precise torque on a nut. I don't use one for lug nuts.

For day-to-day use, I have these in my truck:

Heavy-duty lug wrench. The telescoping handle makes it very powerful, yet it collapses nicely to store in the vehicle. Mine, from Walmart, has two double-ended sockets that have a 1/2" drive adaptable to use with a torque wrench--requires a short extension. The sockets fit nicely into the recesses in alloy wheels.

Folding 4-way wrench This is handy to spin the lug nuts while loose--an otherwise tedious process. It, too, stores easily.

Both fit everything I've owned thus far since I bought them: 4 cars - Isuzu Rodeo, Ford Explorer, Dodge Ram 1500, Toyota RAV 4 - and two PUPS.

babock 10-23-2017 03:37 PM

I always use a torque wrench for lug nuts on all my vehicles and trailers however I don't usually carry one with me when I travel.

I always use a torque wrench for every fastener I install and that includes oil drain plugs. I have worked in some manufacturing environments and torque wrench use is the norm so it just follows into my home mechanical usage.

I use that same lug wrench that jimmoore13 uses from Walmart. I just make sure I use a torque wrench when I get home. Fortunately, I don't have to use it often.

I always use a torque wrench on the lugnuts before of my trailers before I head out on a trip. Seen too many people have sheared lug bolts or wheels that have come flying off.

BTW...never grease the threads. Torque values are for dry threads.

A32Deuce 10-23-2017 04:01 PM

That's only if you have fancy wheels. Steel wheels should not be a problem. Not on my SunSeeker anyway.

babock 10-23-2017 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by A32Deuce (Post 1654027)
That's only if you have fancy wheels. Steel wheels should not be a problem. Not on my SunSeeker anyway.

Hopefully, you aren't referring to using a torque wrench or not. You should use them for all types of wheels. It's not a wheel type issue, its a lug stud stretch issue.

A32Deuce 10-23-2017 04:25 PM

Impact sockets. Fancy wheels torque twice, when put on and after 50 miles check again.

babock 10-23-2017 04:28 PM

You shouldn't rely on the torque that an impact gun puts on your lug nuts unless you use torque bars.

https://www.zoro.com/steelman-torque...saAlTdEALw_wcB

Almost every tire shop I see uses these for all wheels if they use an impact. If they don't, I have them hand torque with a torque wrench.

A32Deuce 10-23-2017 04:32 PM

Did you read any of the above or just jump in? They are talking about a torque wrench and using impact sockets. You can use the proper torque stick with an impact if you know/have the correct specs! I do.

babock 10-23-2017 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by A32Deuce (Post 1654051)
Did you read any of the above or just jump in? They are talking about a torque wrench and using impact sockets. You can use the proper torque stick with an impact if you know/have the correct specs! I do.

OK...agreed!

I got cornfused when you said impact ok for steel since you posted it right after my post.

metalaman 10-23-2017 05:29 PM

Depending on your rims, I had to buy an old spark plug socket to fit the nut and make it in the hole on the rim. the spark plug socket are thin wall and was just enough to fit.

HappyGuy 10-23-2017 06:29 PM

I use a Precision Instruments 50 - 250 torque wrench for lug nuts. If you've ever replaced a broken stud or lost a lug going down the road you'll never hand tighten a lug nut again. If you need more leverage I would consider a hardware store cheater bar aka a length of pipe to fit over the wrench handle. A deep well socket and a 6 inch extension are a must for dual wheels but if this is a trailer you can probably get away with just the socket.

Waterops1 10-23-2017 07:45 PM

I should have added in my earlier post,, use 6-point sockets!! The lug nut I messed up was done with a 12-point socket. As a previous poster said, he had used a spark plug socket. Wished I had purchased more 6-point sockets when I started buying Craftsman tools in 1969. I now make certain to have 6-points in my flyaway tool kit.

SailorSam20500 10-23-2017 09:23 PM

A note on torque wrenches. If you use the common "click" type torque wrench, always store the wrench at 0 torque lbs or whatever the minimum setting is. There is a spring inside the wrench and leaving the wrench at the setting you last used it will reduce the accuracy of the wrench. This instruction should come with the wrench, both of mine did...

doc73 10-23-2017 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SailorSam20500 (Post 1654271)
A note on torque wrenches. If you use the common "click" type torque wrench, always store the wrench at 0 torque lbs or whatever the minimum setting is. There is a spring inside the wrench and leaving the wrench at the setting you last used it will reduce the accuracy of the wrench. This instruction should come with the wrench, both of mine did...

It's funny you say this, my hf wrenches also came with instructions on how to send it back to them or yearly calibration.. I'll buy a new one for 14.99...

SailorSam20500 10-23-2017 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by doc73 (Post 1654277)
It's funny you say this, my hf wrenches also came with instructions on how to send it back to them or yearly calibration.. I'll buy a new one for 14.99...

Yah, the 100 lb wrenches aren't too bad to replace. My 250 lb wrench has a steeper price tag.. :eek:

doc73 10-23-2017 09:32 PM

Yeah.. I have a nice one.. It was great until my father got a flat near my house and used my "breaker bar " to loosen the lugs on his lowboy trailer..

mwdilday 10-23-2017 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmoore13 (Post 1653931)
A torque wrench is another matter, and it's a good option to apply precise torque on a nut. I don't use one for lug nuts.

For day-to-day use, I have these in my truck:

Heavy-duty lug wrench. The telescoping handle makes it very powerful, yet it collapses nicely to store in the vehicle. Mine, from Walmart, has two double-ended sockets that have a 1/2" drive adaptable to use with a torque wrench--requires a short extension. The sockets fit nicely into the recesses in alloy wheels.

Folding 4-way wrench This is handy to spin the lug nuts while loose--an otherwise tedious process. It, too, stores easily.

Both fit everything I've owned thus far since I bought them: 4 cars - Isuzu Rodeo, Ford Explorer, Dodge Ram 1500, Toyota RAV 4 - and two PUPS.

If you are saying you just tighten them up without any accuracy you should re-think that. https://www.forestriverforums.com/for...ies/crying.gif.

If you don't torque you are playing with fire.https://www.forestriverforums.com/for...s/campfire.gif

mwdilday 10-23-2017 09:37 PM

Not a big fan of Harbor Freight. I would buy elsewhere. Quality tools are worth the price.

doc73 10-23-2017 09:39 PM

In a test done by the family handyman magazine hf scores tops for their torque wrench, I was shocked. Now this was a budget friendly test, not unlimited funds, but based on the handymans needs

gectisme 10-23-2017 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by doc73 (Post 1654277)
It's funny you say this, my hf wrenches also came with instructions on how to send it back to them or yearly calibration.. I'll buy a new one for 14.99...

$12 right now. :)
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doc73 10-23-2017 09:43 PM

Good old weekly parking lot sales

B47 10-23-2017 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SailorSam20500 (Post 1654271)
A note on torque wrenches. If you use the common "click" type torque wrench, always store the wrench at 0 torque lbs or whatever the minimum setting is. There is a spring inside the wrench and leaving the wrench at the setting you last used it will reduce the accuracy of the wrench. This instruction should come with the wrench, both of mine did...

Good advice. Another piece of advice (and I don't know if this is included in the instructions)is to always "click up" to the desired torque setting. In other words,if the desired setting is 100 pounds, click up to 100 from say 80-90 pounds. I was taught this in the military as well as in commercial aviation. Another thing taught was to exercise the spring by turning the wrench from a low serving to its highest setting occasionally.

HappyGuy 10-24-2017 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Waterops1 (Post 1654180)
I should have added in my earlier post,, use 6-point sockets!! The lug nut I messed up was done with a 12-point socket. As a previous poster said, he had used a spark plug socket. Wished I had purchased more 6-point sockets when I started buying Craftsman tools in 1969. I now make certain to have 6-points in my flyaway tool kit.

I tossed my 12 points into a hole. I'm too cheap to get rid of them completely, I might be able to use them to make a tool some time, but I never use them because they round off corners.

A32Deuce 10-24-2017 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Waterops1 (Post 1654180)
I should have added in my earlier post,, use 6-point sockets!! The lug nut I messed up was done with a 12-point socket. As a previous poster said, he had used a spark plug socket. Wished I had purchased more 6-point sockets when I started buying Craftsman tools in 1969. I now make certain to have 6-points in my flyaway tool kit.

That is why impact sockets are recommended. They are all 6 point. I still like the old fashioned beam torque wrench. Have one and still use it. I do like the torque sticks for doing lug nuts. Spot on every time.

Trawlerphil 10-24-2017 02:40 PM

I bought one of these and it works great.
https://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-...ter-68283.html

jimmoore13 10-24-2017 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by babock (Post 1654000)
I always use a torque wrench for lug nuts on all my vehicles and trailers however I don't usually carry one with me when I travel.

I always use a torque wrench for every fastener I install and that includes oil drain plugs. I have worked in some manufacturing environments and torque wrench use is the norm so it just follows into my home mechanical usage.

I use that same lug wrench that jimmoore13 uses from Walmart. I just make sure I use a torque wrench when I get home. Fortunately, I don't have to use it often.

I always use a torque wrench on the lugnuts before of my trailers before I head out on a trip. Seen too many people have sheared lug bolts or wheels that have come flying off.

BTW...never grease the threads. Torque values are for dry threads.

Thanks...good advice. Like you, I check my lug nuts often. My first wife was driving...following a trailer. One of the trailer wheels came off and, fortunately, bounced over her car...just dumb luck. Those behind her managed to avoid the bouncing tire, too.

I'm curious. On the occasions when you've done a "field repair", how far off are you compared to the torque wrench when you do it "by feel"? I suspect I over-tighten.

I've used one occasionally - for example to torque head bolts on an engine. I have no idea how close I come to manufacturer specs on things like lug nuts.

Again, good advice.

babock 10-24-2017 03:26 PM

I loosen when I get home and re torque. Most of the times when I have had to change a tire on the road, my next step is to get a new tire and they get retorqued with a torque wrench or torque bars at a tire store where I am replacing the tire at.

I just replaced 4 motor mounts on a Honda we have this weekend. Every fastener got torqued to the spec listed in the OEM factory manual.


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