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howie70 07-23-2020 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ryand (Post 2372462)
Perfect campsite is lake side, paved including patio so shoes are optional, full hookups, isolated from others, wonderful views and less than $30 a night.

Paved, with full hook-ups and isolated from others? We must have different definitions of isolated.

mnoland30 07-23-2020 07:44 AM

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I see RV campgrounds here in NM that are just parking lots with water and electric hookups. They look like a Camping World. I assume all of those people are extroverts, who love meeting new people.

We camp in the same areas with no hookups, and aren't 10' apart and have nice views. With our Senior Pass, we get 1/2 price at all Federal campgrounds. The tradeoff is taking a generator if we need AC, and carrying extra water. We camp out west and go to the mountains in the summer, so we don't need AC. My solar panels provide the electric. Most places in the Southwest, we can dump our grey water anywhere. When we camp near a lake, we pump our grey water into a waste tank in the truck and hauled it somewhere away from lakes and streams. Our Roo accomodates 6 people comfortably, and is small enough to camp almost anywhere. We've camped a week with 6 people without dumping the black tank.

We stayed in a decent hotel a few years ago for $49 a night. I can't imagine paying that for an RV parking space.

To each his own.

This is us near Goblin State Park, Utah.

Oaklevel 07-23-2020 07:46 AM

I personally think that we are all spoiled and that's not a bad thing. Camping is very different than when we started back in 1985. At least camper / RVs are. Campgrounds have changed too (or at least RV Parks).

$30 is becoming a scarce thing those that have those places that are available, great. $100 a night campgrounds are becoming more common. Supply and demand, rural areas less money. Want to be at the beach? Within walking distance from the ocean? $100 parks are becoming more common.

RV parks have to pay for their upkeep, labor, taxes, mortgage, utilities and so on. One park we go to has nearly 500 employees to pay in the summer. So as their costs increase so do their sites. Taxes, wages, utilities, etc. go up, so does what we pay for a site.

It is a good thing that everyone has different tastes and likes.

:signhavefun:

ryand 07-23-2020 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by howie70 (Post 2373818)
Paved, with full hook-ups and isolated from others? We must have different definitions of isolated.



To clarify, slightly wrong word choice....”separated” from people (and their sites). The place I am currently at describes their deluxe patio site as spacious and secluded. By definition it appears this means each site is 8’ from the adjacents sites sewer dump in the sand and mud.

MainelyUS 07-23-2020 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ryand (Post 2372462)
Its been awhile since I last posted here so forgive me for injecting this topic for my return back but it's currently the situation we have found ourselves in and I wont name any campground names but will give generalized locations....This is only a vent session!!!!
First off, we are from the St. Louis area and there are many, many State and COE options within a 2-5 hour radius from home that we spend time at. We normally take one big trip a year consisting of multiple weeks while the kids have time off in the summer. This year we elected to head north into Door County WI, Then into the UP of Michigan and then down near Torch Lake in Michigan and Traverse City. Even on the big trips we try and stay with federal and corps/state parks when we can. We are on the final leg of our trip and staying at a private campground and yet again have found ourselves disappointed with the facility, sites and the cost. The online reviews of this place are glowing....95% positive but yet we all feel underwhelmed based on what we are used to. Its hard to stomach hotel room prices (Before covid, Hotel travel was my work life)per night to be 10' from my neighbor, dirt and sand/mud sites, laundry rooms that smell like sewage and so on. There are so many people here that makes me think we are the minority. I think my expectations are too high. Perfect campsite is lake side, paved including patio so shoes are optional, full hookups, isolated from others, wonderful views and less than $30 a night. I think I am asking too much. I have constantly been disappointed with private campgrounds that over promise and under deliver. With that said, we are having a great time and have gotten to do some neat and different things on this trip. I would highly recommend Michigan's UP its a wild unlike anything we have experienced.

RYAND: Just a thought, You should post your review on RV Trip Wizard...it would be helpful for us who are traveling in that area or planning a trip through the area.

ryand 07-23-2020 09:42 AM

I know that this topic has touched a bit of a nerve with some, understand that when I wrote it I was a bit angry (we had suffered a blowout along the way, reached into my pocket for an extra 1,000 for new tires and stabilizers that’s I destroyed pulling off the highway time lost and so on) now have a damaged trailer that is on its second season that looks like crap and pulling into our last stop of the trip that in my opinion was a way oversell was a bit of a letdown. Dealing with the dirt, sand, neighbors 8’ away, staff golf carts buzzing about including cutting through our “site” has me a bit angry given the circumstances and at over $700 for the week. Anyhow I think what I wanted to say and vent to everyone is the current acceptance of increasing costs while decreasing the value across all aspects of RV’ing. From the campgrounds overselling things, to the manufacturers spinning cheap poorly made parts and units as quality. Judging by the amount of problems reported, blowouts happening and crappy private campgrounds still operating it appears that many are ok with it all. I think my expectations are too high....Or I’m just a tough customer.

ryand 07-23-2020 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MainelyUS (Post 2373920)
RYAND: Just a thought, You should post your review on RV Trip Wizard...it would be helpful for us who are traveling in that area or planning a trip through the area.



I will once we depart.

Homebrew 07-23-2020 10:29 AM

Spaces at private campgrounds are getting tight. I’m noticing the pull through sites have less grass areas between sites. The back in sites have more space between each site.
We try to use google satellite view to help view our site before booking, also selecting a end site so nobody is next to us on one side. More road noise and dust if the place is busy.
We look for campgrounds without pools and playgrounds, the cost seams to be lower and less kids.
Selecting campgrounds can be a job if your looking for a good site. We also try visiting campgrounds when traveling and marking up the camp map for sites we like for future trips.
Sorry to here about your issues, hope you enjoy the rest of your trip without any more issues.
Just remember tire issues are mainly caused by overloading, over inflation, under inflation and slow leaks which creates heat and blow outs. Upgrading you load range on your tires is alway a good move.

Iwannacamp 07-23-2020 11:10 AM

We are fortunate in our area(s) as most COE/BLM/whatever the local lake or river calls it in that the camp areas are large. We have to sometimes seek a campsite to group camp as the sites are farther away than we want them. Problems. Problems.
I talk bad about NE Texas and SW Arkansas, but it really is a pretty area in most cases. The worst part about this area is the heat and humidity combination. Even with A/C sometimes it is a struggle... Maybe I am just spoiled.

Iwritecode 07-23-2020 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sbosserman (Post 2373626)
I’ve been an River since 1989 and I’ve been a member of this forum now for several years now, but there isn’t a day that goes by when I’m reading this forum that somebody isn’t using acronyms that I’ve never heard of. Ya know, you can’t just Google “COE” or FHU” to find out what the heck you guys are talk into about. If so many participants are going to be using acronyms That are so unique, it might be best if there was an acronym guide on the forum where these were defined! Just sayin’

We do have one.

https://www.forestriverforums.com/fo...sms-50510.html

waybeck2018 07-23-2020 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by boondocking (Post 2372882)
Grandkids are precious and no expense spared when it comes to treating them.


Our grandson is as precious to us as anyone's grandchild, BUT, there is a time to teach them responsibility, and that the world does not revolve around them alone. Our grandson has seen and experienced so many good things over the past 10 years that so many children never see/do. Smithsonians, Liberty Bell, etc, the beach and the list goes on. He is allotted so much a day to spend for his personal want's and wishes. He understands the definition of "NO". At 13 years now, he is a responsible and thoughtful child, considerate of others and always shares. We are proud of him and the way we have raised him to be that way. Also an Honor Roll student. He is happy and always ready to hit the road with us. His singular "really wants to have" is a pool at the campground.

Sharon455 07-23-2020 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike134 (Post 2373711)
I was thinking the same thing thanks for saying it. :trink39:

A list of common acronyms used on this forum. It is a PDF download
Download of common acronyms

AlaskaErik 07-23-2020 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharon455 (Post 2374461)
A list of common acronyms used on this forum. It is a PDF download
Download of common acronyms

What is a PDF?

Reverse_snowbird 07-23-2020 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AlaskaErik (Post 2374566)
What is a PDF?

:roflblack:
Good point. For those who don't know.....If you've got Adobe Acrobat Reader on your computer, (a free download from Adobe) you can click on that link above, download the file, click on the download and read it.

boondocking 07-24-2020 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AlaskaErik (Post 2374566)
What is a PDF?

Portable Document Format

AlaskaErik 07-24-2020 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Reverse_snowbird (Post 2374576)
:roflblack:
Good point. For those who don't know.....If you've got Adobe Acrobat Reader on your computer, (a free download from Adobe) you can click on that link above, download the file, click on the download and read it.

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Originally Posted by boondocking (Post 2374597)
Portable Document Format

I was being facetious.

boondocking 07-24-2020 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by AlaskaErik (Post 2374908)
I was being facetious.

I know. :trink39:

That was for the benefit of the people that didn't know.

Mike134 07-24-2020 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MainelyUS (Post 2373920)
RYAND: Just a thought, You should post your review on RV Trip Wizard...it would be helpful for us who are traveling in that area or planning a trip through the area.


You must not fish. NEVER EVER tell someone your spot. :trink39:

Coolharts 07-26-2020 03:50 PM

The best value are State Parks, around NC and SC $30-$50 a night, W/E usually 50 AMP. I could care less about sewer, we have a blue tank for grey and can go for a week on the black with no issue. I have stayed in 2 private campgrounds, one being Ft Wilderness, we like our space and State Parks offer that.

antowar 07-27-2020 06:36 PM

Nope, Not Spoiled
 
Our family, too, prefers the state parks anyday over ANY commercial private place we've been to! We aren't as picky - and are happy with just electric and a water/dump station on-site (doesn't have to be at site). We have also lucked out with several county parks we love also, some are even better than the state ones (for cheaper too). The only downside is it's very difficult to get an electric site if you aren't booking upwards of a year in advance!!! I usually have good luck if I watch daily the reservation sites for anyone who gives up their sites who previously reserved. We have never understood the private commercial places -- it seems our friends with children ALWAYS want to camp there and it's usually more expensive per night, AND they nickel and dime you (additional $ for wristbands for kids, etc.). We don't care to be on top of the neighbors and the kids would prefer a lake, walking, bringing their bikes, vs. the "amenities" of private campgrounds. When camping kid-free, the state/county parks are also preferred as we often will bring our motorcycles with in the toyhauler and there's usually plenty of space for them, our trailer and truck.....Oh BTW: this is in WI -- never camped out of state before.....:signhavefun:

IDguy 07-27-2020 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ryand (Post 2372462)
Its been awhile since I last posted here so forgive me for injecting this topic for my return back but it's currently the situation we have found ourselves in and I wont name any campground names but will give generalized locations....This is only a vent session!!!!
First off, we are from the St. Louis area and there are many, many State and COE options within a 2-5 hour radius from home that we spend time at. We normally take one big trip a year consisting of multiple weeks while the kids have time off in the summer. This year we elected to head north into Door County WI, Then into the UP of Michigan and then down near Torch Lake in Michigan and Traverse City. Even on the big trips we try and stay with federal and corps/state parks when we can. We are on the final leg of our trip and staying at a private campground and yet again have found ourselves disappointed with the facility, sites and the cost. The online reviews of this place are glowing....95% positive but yet we all feel underwhelmed based on what we are used to. Its hard to stomach hotel room prices (Before covid, Hotel travel was my work life)per night to be 10' from my neighbor, dirt and sand/mud sites, laundry rooms that smell like sewage and so on. There are so many people here that makes me think we are the minority. I think my expectations are too high. Perfect campsite is lake side, paved including patio so shoes are optional, full hookups, isolated from others, wonderful views and less than $30 a night. I think I am asking too much. I have constantly been disappointed with private campgrounds that over promise and under deliver. With that said, we are having a great time and have gotten to do some neat and different things on this trip. I would highly recommend Michigan's UP its a wild unlike anything we have experienced.

I have a class A now. I hardly ever pay for camping. When I do it is usually between $5 and $10, with senior pass discount.

Try boondocketswelcome.com and U S Public Campgrounds App.

I know back east is a different world.

Seawood21 07-27-2020 06:50 PM

I Understand Your Frustration
 
My husband and I bought a TT last year (spent 5 years without camping). We have just come back from a 5 week trip Montana, Idaho, Washington and Oregon (where we live). What we discovered are a few remote campgrounds that are small, away from any populated areas and quite charming for under $35 a night with full facilities. However, the closer we got to a city (not even a big one) the more expensive things became. We ended up in one KOA that was complete mud, 6 feet from the nearest camper, had full time residents (old trailers) and cost us $50 a night - the worst KOA I have ever stayed in. If you want patios they are going to cost you a ton. Camping prices have definitely gone through the roof. We did stay in a very old and small campground near my daughters in Montana. Sewer run was 45 feet from the camper, only had 20 amp service and zero facilities. Cost $24 a night - however in all fairness it is under new ownership and the owners couldn't have been nicer. They have plans to make major improvements over the next year. I am from Michigan and there are many beautiful campgrounds there but you do need to be choosey. We rarely stayed at State Parks as there is usually way too much smoke and far too much noise. We lived in the Upper when we went to school and found a lot of out of the way campsites (rustic in nature) which are great if you can be self contained. One of my major gripes are the number of "RV Only" parks in areas we want to visit. Seems a bit discriminatory to me...:)

scrapyqltr 07-27-2020 06:52 PM

I agree wit what your saying Mike. I recently stayed at a private campground again promising you the moon. The staff was great, the owner was great. They put me in a mud pit of a site with straw. The mosquitoes were what i am calling "the new national bird" were thick as apparently they drained 2 feet of water from a previous rain storm. They knew the bugs were going to be bad. They should of fogged the area they took off that much water. The electricity almost blew my ac unit as it too again had been under water. NO specified fire pit or ring. I could not enjoy the campsite itself. I did use the pool, the lake a half mile away or more from campsite, and played bingo. But it was for a large price.
Then this past weekend in IL again promised the moon to be on a sandy site, no fire pit, no ring. We had a difficult time leveling as the sand pit was 2 in different than on another side. The full amenities were as promised. Not anywhere near as friendly of staff. Needed to be in wrist bands for the weekend. NO view of the pond or river. Again this was for a large price per night. I think I am preferring to stay at the state parks because i can have a view of the lake or river.

2005gts 07-27-2020 06:58 PM

i stayed in a private campground in Destin, FL, $85 for the night. they would not let you self-park, instead someone lead you to your site and then directed you where and how to park; well, they kept telling me to keep backing and they backed me into a tree. they took no responsibility...

Bill

sportsdad12 07-27-2020 07:09 PM

Totally agree with you. Our state parks don’t have full hook ups but they have more space and woods and under 30 dollars.
I will splurge once a year to stay at upscale campground if I want to go on a special vacation. Not doing that this year.

Kathyquilts 07-27-2020 07:13 PM

Ditto That!
 
I'm with you! It seems like many campgrounds are charging more and more and more, yet no upgrades have been made with that extra money. In those areas that charge us the most (usually in areas where Walmarts don't allow overnights or no state parks in the area), are close to family recreation sites and you just have to eat that huge cost if you want to stay close.



We stayed in New Jersey, right across from NYC (45' trailer), and the owner of the campground (really just a glorified gravel lot with power only) said they are taxed as if they are a high rise apartment building and would probably soon close, because even though their rates are high, it's not high enough to pay those kind of comparable taxes. In places like that, the property is worth much more to someone building on it than we can pay for convenience. So sad.


On the other hand, some owners are greedy. We just visited a small town in Colorado, and the regular residents were so angry that someone from out of town bought their campground and more than doubled the monthly and daily rents. What summer workers normally pay (like $700/month per lot) went up to $1700/month! And for seasonal workers, they don't make that kind of money! No improvements were made other than draining the small lake/duck pond and putting more dirt sites in the spot. Up goes the rent. Now people that loved to visit the area for the summer just can't pay that price.


So now we are mostly looking for dispersed FREE camping, and enjoying the areas around the country where we can. (I'll tell you that everywhere is PACKED this year though!)


Kathy

Major Oz 07-27-2020 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ryand (Post 2372462)
Its been awhile since I last posted here so forgive me for injecting this topic for my return back but it's currently the situation we have found ourselves in and I wont name any campground names but will give generalized locations....This is only a vent session!!!!
First off, we are from the St. Louis area and there are many, many State and COE options within a 2-5 hour radius from home that we spend time at. We normally take one big trip a year consisting of multiple weeks while the kids have time off in the summer. This year we elected to head north into Door County WI, Then into the UP of Michigan and then down near Torch Lake in Michigan and Traverse City. Even on the big trips we try and stay with federal and corps/state parks when we can. We are on the final leg of our trip and staying at a private campground and yet again have found ourselves disappointed with the facility, sites and the cost. The online reviews of this place are glowing....95% positive but yet we all feel underwhelmed based on what we are used to. Its hard to stomach hotel room prices (Before covid, Hotel travel was my work life)per night to be 10' from my neighbor, dirt and sand/mud sites, laundry rooms that smell like sewage and so on. There are so many people here that makes me think we are the minority. I think my expectations are too high. Perfect campsite is lake side, paved including patio so shoes are optional, full hookups, isolated from others, wonderful views and less than $30 a night. I think I am asking too much. I have constantly been disappointed with private campgrounds that over promise and under deliver. With that said, we are having a great time and have gotten to do some neat and different things on this trip. I would highly recommend Michigan's UP its a wild unlike anything we have experienced.


If we are CAMPING, we do so at COE, BLM, or boondocking. If we are just TRAVELING, we stay at WM, CB, or some church lot.


We avoid private CG's completely, mostly due to price, but also noise, barking, and those folks who outline their rigs with runway approach lights.


I mean....you have an RV so that YOU DON'T NEED someone else's shower/restroom. And laundromats are everywhere, many next to friendly bars.


And, unless you have a nasty stomach, you need dump your tanks only about once a week.


So......screw KOA's and their ilk



(probably get deleted, as advertisers won't like this)

IDguy 07-27-2020 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Coolharts (Post 2376625)
The best value are State Parks, around NC and SC $30-$50 a night, W/E usually 50 AMP. I could care less about sewer, we have a blue tank for grey and can go for a week on the black with no issue. I have stayed in 2 private campgrounds, one being Ft Wilderness, we like our space and State Parks offer that.

Not out west. State Parks tend to be MOST expensive. And usually full.

National Forest and BLM CGs are best out west. Nominally $10 with senior discount. Sometimes $2.50.

But dispersed camping is free.

D W 07-27-2020 07:42 PM

OP said "I think my expectations are too high. Perfect campsite is lake side, paved including patio so shoes are optional, full hookups, isolated from others, wonderful views and less than $30 a night."

:roflblack: No such animal here in AK! Sure there are plenty of places to camp for free (just pick a random State owned slough, but you had better bring all the amenities with you!

dmayo13 07-27-2020 07:49 PM

Disappointed
 
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Originally Posted by ryand (Post 2372462)
Its been awhile since I last posted here so forgive me for injecting this topic for my return back but it's currently the situation we have found ourselves in and I wont name any campground names but will give generalized locations....This is only a vent session!!!!
First off, we are from the St. Louis area and there are many, many State and COE options within a 2-5 hour radius from home that we spend time at. We normally take one big trip a year consisting of multiple weeks while the kids have time off in the summer. This year we elected to head north into Door County WI, Then into the UP of Michigan and then down near Torch Lake in Michigan and Traverse City. Even on the big trips we try and stay with federal and corps/state parks when we can. We are on the final leg of our trip and staying at a private campground and yet again have found ourselves disappointed with the facility, sites and the cost. The online reviews of this place are glowing....95% positive but yet we all feel underwhelmed based on what we are used to. Its hard to stomach hotel room prices (Before covid, Hotel travel was my work life)per night to be 10' from my neighbor, dirt and sand/mud sites, laundry rooms that smell like sewage and so on. There are so many people here that makes me think we are the minority. I think my expectations are too high. Perfect campsite is lake side, paved including patio so shoes are optional, full hookups, isolated from others, wonderful views and less than $30 a night. I think I am asking too much. I have constantly been disappointed with private campgrounds that over promise and under deliver. With that said, we are having a great time and have gotten to do some neat and different things on this trip. I would highly recommend Michigan's UP its a wild unlike anything we have experienced.

I feel your pain. We are accustomed to staying at COE parks and with the seniors discount pay only $12 or $13 per night. Since retiring I cannot afford $40+ per night. Yes I think we are spoiled because the COE parks are nicely kept and cheap. Have not gotten to camp very much since hurricane Michael and was just planning to get to camp some this year when Covid 19 came to visit. We got a double whammy here in the Florida panhandle.

Major Oz 07-27-2020 08:10 PM

thanx, Karen........

walaby 07-27-2020 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Major Oz (Post 2377644)
thanx, Karen........

Or is it Ken....

MNtraveler 07-27-2020 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by travlinon (Post 2372830)
Wife told me after one night staying at Walmart if we couldn’t afford a campground we would stay home.

That settles that!

PS: I agree with her. Though I have stayed at a Walmart (and worse!).

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