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KAL 09-20-2020 02:29 PM

Buying a New Forest River Product?
 
Hi Everyone. My husband and I are new to the RV world and have been searching for a travel trailer for many months. I fell in love with the R-Pod at first sight but we finally settled on a new 2021 FR 203RKLE due to size, function and layout. Last night I started searching for reviews on FR and found a huge amount of complaints from FR owners who seemed to have very long lists of quality issues and repair challenges. The amount of complaints seemed excessive and now, just as we are about to put a deposit down on a new 2021, I feel like we should start looking all over again. Before I give up on FR, Iím hoping the experienced owners in this forum can give us some perspective and share their own experiences with FR and the Surveyor Legend series. Any information would be helpful. Thank you all in advance with your help. P.S. My husband has a great deal of experience with sail boats and is an A&P (airplane mechanic) so he has a lot of experience that should come in handy with travel trailers, I think? Thank you.

eye95 09-20-2020 02:48 PM

I have an r-pod. We have had very few minor issues. FR has several different plants that make various lines and models of RVs. They likely don’t all have the same quality.

I (and, it seems, most r-pod owners) are very happy with the quality. I cannot speak for any other line or models, but this forum does seem to have more complaints for some lines or models than for others.

Bear in mind that you hear more from the people with problems than you will from those of us who got quality-built products.

I am biased, but I recommend you go back to the r-pod that you fell in love with.

bikendan 09-20-2020 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KAL (Post 2417547)
Hi Everyone. My husband and I are new to the RV world and have been searching for a travel trailer for many months. I fell in love with the R-Pod at first sight but we finally settled on a new 2021 FR 203RKLE due to size, function and layout. Last night I started searching for reviews on FR and found a huge amount of complaints from FR owners who seemed to have very long lists of quality issues and repair challenges. The amount of complaints seemed excessive and now, just as we are about to put a deposit down on a new 2021, I feel like we should start looking all over again. Before I give up on FR, Iím hoping the experienced owners in this forum can give us some perspective and share their own experiences with FR and the Surveyor Legend series. Any information would be helpful. Thank you all in advance with your help. P.S. My husband has a great deal of experience with sail boats and is an A&P (airplane mechanic) so he has a lot of experience that should come in handy with travel trailers, I think? Thank you.

You do understand that Forest River is the corporation name and FR has almost 100 different brands and different divisions, right.
Have you looked at reviews for Thor Industries, as they are same kind of RV corporation as FR, only bigger.
You need to look for reviews on each brand, not by the corporation name, as the trailer you're looking at is made by the Surveyor division, not FR.
It's like looking for reviews on a Chevy Camaro and only using GM to do the research.
We've owned two trailers, made by two different FR divisions and we've been very pleased with both.

pgandw 09-21-2020 01:59 PM

When we fell in love with the A-frame idea, we shopped the 3 different manufacturers. The Forest River product was about 2/3 the price of A-liner and Chalet equivalent models. At the time, the A-liner and Chalet were having production problems, and getting one was at least 6 months out. Between price and availability, Rockwood/Flagstaff became our choice.

For A-frames, the dealers that discount them tend to sell in volume and understand the product. For both our A-frames, we had very good dealers, who resolved almost all the issues before delivery (and gave us a good discount on price compared to dealers who primarily sold bigger trailers), and took care of us after delivery. We didn't have any warranty issues with the 2nd A-frame, and only a hidden flaw in a propane fitting in the 1st. Take a close look at the service dept of the dealer before you buy. Or be prepared to use independent RV mechanics and self-help.

Having kept track of A-frames, there are design/engineering issues unique to each brand. Forest River uses a very different roof latch mechanism that is sturdy in all winds, unlike the other brands. FR uses OSB (Oriented Strand Board) for floors, where the other 2 use aluminum. Makes the FR product heavier, but both work fine. I'm sure you'll find the same kinds of things when it comes to R-Pods and similar from other manufacturers.

just my experiences
Fred W
2019 Flagstaff T21TBHW A-frame
2008 Hyundai Entourage minivan
camping Colorado and adjacent states one weekend at a time

cc102bob 09-22-2020 12:54 PM

I believe that successfully buying and enjoying a new RV is all about managing expectations. You need to understand that finding ANY RV that is perfect upon delivery is as rare as your average unicorn. All of the RV shopping I have done over the years has lead me to the opinion that Forest River and Thor operate multiple sub-brands, each with different target audiences. They both make everything from luxury units where you would expect fewer issues all the way down to entry level cheap-o's that are all about making the unit as cheap as absolutely possible. If you opt for the "cheap as absolutely possible", don't be too surprised if the quality is "less than perfect".

The second thing to know is that the dealership experience can vary widely. The two aspects of a dealership are sales and service. Some do good at one or the other, some at both, and some at neither. If you do end up having issues that need to be resolved with a unit you purchase, just be aware that Forest River does not force you to use the dealer where you purchased the RV to do service on that RV. Sometimes that's the best option, but it is not the only option.

As any long-time RV-r will tell you, it will be in your own best interest to learn how to do as much maintenance on your rig as possible. Many issues are fixable by someone who is somewhat handy and you can save a lot of money over the years by learning to maintain and fix your own rig.

I purchased a new Rockwood Ultra Light fifth wheel last summer and there were a few minor things that I had the dealer fix initially, but overall I was quite satisfied with the build quality. It is my opinion that given a choice between Forest River and Thor products, you will generally be better off in the Forest River product, but as in many things, either company can produce both lemons and gems. I don't have a significant opinion on some of the non-Thor or FR brands out there because I just haven't had that much exposure.

mhill260 09-22-2020 01:08 PM

Can happen to anyone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KAL (Post 2417547)
Hi Everyone. My husband and I are new to the RV world and have been searching for a travel trailer for many months. I fell in love with the R-Pod at first sight but we finally settled on a new 2021 FR 203RKLE due to size, function and layout. Last night I started searching for reviews on FR and found a huge amount of complaints from FR owners who seemed to have very long lists of quality issues and repair challenges. The amount of complaints seemed excessive and now, just as we are about to put a deposit down on a new 2021, I feel like we should start looking all over again. Before I give up on FR, Iím hoping the experienced owners in this forum can give us some perspective and share their own experiences with FR and the Surveyor Legend series. Any information would be helpful. Thank you all in advance with your help. P.S. My husband has a great deal of experience with sail boats and is an A&P (airplane mechanic) so he has a lot of experience that should come in handy with travel trailers, I think? Thank you.

We have a Rockwood which is a Forest River product, and we've been happy. We did have some issues initially, but I don't know anyone who hasn't. We looked at Surveyor and liked them. I think they use Azdel now. In my experience within specific tiers, most trailers are very similar. The differences are in the features and floorplans. They all use the same components, appliances, and tires with some differences here and there. The build quality is a little different across lines and price points. If you step up to something like a Lance or Airstream, you'll likely see some improvements, but you're paying for it. And the differences aren't usually dramatic. Those trailers have issues also. I would focus on a trailer that meets your needs, look it over really well, and make sure you're working with a reputable and reliable dealer. Because that is where the difference really is in my experience.

dmctlc 09-22-2020 01:11 PM

IMHO I use to feel you'd have more issues with motorized campers Class A,B or C because they're more like mobile houses on wheels so you'll have engines and generator to worry about but these days trailers and 5ers stuff a lot in them too just no engines...before moving into a Class A a few years ago I had a variety of pop-ups and trailers, all Jayco. Never any issues, I always felt Jayco was one of the best. Maybe not true today but never had one issue with them the over 25 yrs. with them. But like whats already been said you'll hear more complaints or issues than good stories. Me my first Class A was FR Georgetown. A lot of issues and seemed to have good service dept. Yet problems existed almost till I moved up to a DP. The jury's out on that still need to do more traveling. Like said do your homework a dealer with a good reputation and a great service dept. Is paramount IMHO if you need them, fix the little things go to them to fix the major things. Good luck and please let us know how you make out.

hbillsmith 09-22-2020 01:24 PM

I have owned Dutchmen and FR Wildcat (Wildcat bought new in 2015 (2016 model). I am very happy with FR and my Wildcat. Sure, there was a short list of issues when it was new. Dealer fixed all the ones from that first 3 months, I fixed a few (like a loose coax connection that just needed tightening). I have a good dealer, but honestly, other than that first warranty visit at month 3, I've never taken it back to them.

Any other faults that appeared during the rest of the first 2 years were fixed in Goshen during Forest River's National Rally at the Goshen Fairgrounds. The Rally is a great experience by itself, but having FR assign a team that inspects and repairs everything they find while you are there! Well that's the best.

Lastly, Forest River brands benefit from this very forum. Over the years I've experienced and notice others experience "Issues". As far as I can remember, every time there was an "Issue", a group of seasoned RVers here would chime in with either troubleshooting and repair help and links to a youtube that will show you what to do. From time to time, there will be a FR customer service rep who is a member and he will engage to help you with parts or other help.

rwhit 09-22-2020 01:35 PM

We have a 2019 Surveyor 241RBLE that we bought in April of 2019. We have only had one issue which was with the shower drain that I repaired myself. We use it at least once a month year round but stayed in it for six weeks when our house flooded. The only regret we have is not getting different (Quality) tires on it at the time we purchased it. We have been lucky so far with the castle rocks which are going away in October before our next trip.

SeaMSea 09-22-2020 02:23 PM

We have a Rockwood Mini Lite 2109S
 
The Mini Lite line is well made, We did have the kitchen sink fall in the first 50 miles but dealer was only 10 miles away when it happened so we took it and was a back on the road in 2 hours. We are having an issue with the Carbon Monoxide detector which I think is flaky. Heard that the quality is down on all RV's with the Covid still rampant as people are buying them like hotcakes so they are pumping them out fast with little reguard to quality. I would suggest you make a trip to Elkhart ID an tour the plant where the ones your are interested in are built and make a decision after that. You can probably get a better deal there also. Just my 2 cents worth so take it as just that. Good luck
We liked the R-pods also but just too small and not the ammenities we were looking for.

alealitha 09-22-2020 02:25 PM

My recommendation would be to allocate several hours to go over every detail. We were unable to do this for both RV's we bought so our walkthrus were somewhat rushed due to outside time constraints. Some issues that we would have seen in a more leisurely review (summary of 2 rv's):
* Water pump didn't have a fuse so it didn't run (we didn't notice until went off city water)
* When the heater kicked on, sawdust and crap went flying out of all the vents
* 2 heater vents were clogged and no air came out at all
* 1 AC unit was leaking, a thermometer during walk through would have caught the poor cooling of the unit
* excess plumber's putty on the drains
* 2 AC vents clogged from poor ducting
* Water heater electric relay bad (4-8 seconds of clicking every 5-10 minutes before it finally failed)
* missing door strap on barn door


You get the idea. Nothing life shattering, just very annoying and we(I) should have caught all of those in the pre-signing review. Your ability to get minor issues resolved quickly drops dramatically after you sign.


In retrospect, I'm willing to bet that in the vastness of the internet, someone out there has probably already created a nice handy checklist for just such an occasion. I'd google that "rv pre-sales walk through checklist".


Good luck & keep a sharp eye!
Adam

camaraderie 09-22-2020 02:41 PM

I think the advice given above is realistic. As a first time buyer...I'm real happy with the quality and service of my Georgetown but I see a lot of 1st time buyers with unrealistic expectations.
1. I don't think that any of the other big 3 companies have any edge in quality over FR. Thor in particular seems to get a lot more complaints than FR...but of course they are also bigger.
2. People tend to look at RV's like they look at cars or boats. And at RV dealers like car or boat dealers. Nothing could be further from the truth.
a. You have a RV Chassis mfr. responsible for the engine, frame, tranny etc. and you'll need to deal with THEM to get any problems there fixed.
b. Then you have the RV mfr. who builds the stick house on the frame. You'll deal with the mfr. (FR) on that with the interposition of the dealer in many cases.
c. Then you have the item mfr's who provide their own warranties for your fridge and air conditioner & radio and stove etc, They have their own warranty and warranty providers which are not necessarily your dealer.
No one takes responsibility for the whole product. And fingers are often pointed at "the other guy",
d. It the dealer you go to did not sell you your unit... they have NO legal obligation to service your unit at all.. and if they often will not...or will make you wait months. They are not like your Honda dealerships.
Fortunately...at least with Forest River...they will often work with a local provider of your choosing to help you get your unit fixed and reimburse YOU for the expense with proper documentation as arranged in ADVANCE of the work being done.
Lots of folks here are handy and the factory has worked with them to let them do their own fixes.
I'd also note that buying from a local dealer is also NO guarantee of good service. Warranty repairs don't pay well and dealers often promise things then don't deliver. All to often we hear :The part is still on order.:... only to find it has never been ordered.



Despite all that FR has IMO a good reputation for standing behind their products and their customers and if you ever need to take the unit back to the factory...outstanding service is the rule.



So that's my perspective. IMO...the decision to buy...despite the above... has been one of the top ten good decisions of my life. (Wives 1>>>9 might disagree!! :roflblack:)

Tundra 2014 09-22-2020 02:59 PM

FR
 
Forrest River is a "Huge" company w/ many different model lines. I think currently all the manufactures are building them as fast as possible to meet demand. My sense is this causing the quality to decrease even lower on a scale that was already low. I have had a Flagstaff/Rockwood, which is about the center of Forrest River's price line. I have a 2016 and have been happy w/ the quality overall. I suggest looking at one of their middle lines for the best "Bang for the Buck". Due to the volume that Forrest River does, you get a lot for the money compared to other brands. If you look on RVT they have customer reviews on specific models.

BillyBass 09-22-2020 03:50 PM

To be honest with you. It dont matter what brand you buy or how much you spend they all have trouble .I have 2019 FR 26 rbws superlite and my sink cave in Thats What happen when they throw them together .I took it back and they made it good

cler-b 09-22-2020 04:16 PM

I recommend Thor, I bought from forest river and Thor,

KAL 09-22-2020 04:53 PM

Thank you everyone for taking the time to respond to my request for information. We needed an quick education and something told me we could count on this group for that. You did not disappoint. We have some great take-aways, especially finding a good service dept, the pre-purchase inspection, and the re-setting of some expectations. We have 2 FR recommended dealers in AZ and the price difference is huge, so we'll be digging deeper. Again, thank you all for your input. Take care. ----Kathleen & Chuck

dmctlc 09-22-2020 04:56 PM

Thanks for the update and glad the forum helped you out as its helped me over the last few years. Please come back and let us know what the final decision you made and perhaps the results of it with the rig you decide on. Thanks and enjoy.

Cantdrive55 09-22-2020 05:01 PM

One last thing to remember.. For every person who posts a complaint, there are scores of others who have had no issues and thus no reason to go online and post.

U.S.ArmyVeteran 09-22-2020 05:16 PM

We are now on our second trailer. Our first was a 2018 Dutchman Kodiak. Not known for quality. We had no problems with it whatsoever except for the Air Conditioner failed and replaced by Dometic under warranty. Customer Service from Dutchman was a "B+"

We purchased a new 2020 Surveyor Luxury in January. A few minor issues I fixed myself.

One major issue has been on the books since Early June. Customer Service an "F".

Flip a coin. You just never know.

Recommendations.

Buy from a local dealer with a good reputation. Any money you save will be lost if you have issues. Dealers don't like to work on other dealer units because they are always booked up and will cater to the customer that bought from them. This has been told to me by three Dealer Shop Managers. We also have an independent shop we can go to for warranty work and repairs that is very close. This is a bonus.

If you are going to be an RVer. Either be "rich" or be a DIYer. Basic skills at a minimum. Electrical skills and Mechanical skills will be a big plus.

Do your research as to your tow vehicle capability. DO YOUR RESEARCH! Do not trust the salesman. Understand the parameters you are working under.

Immediately get a camera in the back to help you back up and see the people that are tailgating you.
Immediately get a Trailer Tire Pressure Monitor.

Have fun!!!

Aggie Dad 09-22-2020 05:22 PM

Rockwood
 
Rockwood is made by Forest River and have had very few problems with the trailer. Like several have said earlier, make sure dealer shows you how to operate trailer and have a good PDI(pre delivery inspection). Pay attention to what the PDI guy says and take notes. Investigate dealer throughly before purchasing. Do your homework and if you notice any problems before purchase,make sure they fix them before you give any money.

HangDiver 09-22-2020 05:38 PM

Overall I've been happy with my Micro Lite. I bought it lightly used and found a cracked drain pipe under the shower that I repaired myself. After that I refurbished the fresh water tank supports as I do alot of bouncing around off-road dry camping.

Being handy with repairs and having the right tools can make a big difference in TT ownership. I would buy the TT I bought over again if I needed to.

bikendan 09-22-2020 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cantdrive55 (Post 2419102)
One last thing to remember.. For every person who posts a complaint, there are scores of others who have had no issues and thus no reason to go online and post.

Very True!

bikendan 09-22-2020 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Aggie Dad (Post 2419112)
Rockwood is made by Forest River and have had very few problems with the trailer.

Actually Rockwood is made by the Rockwood/Flagstaff division of Forest River. Forest River's separate divisions make the RVs, in their own factories.

MCTroy 09-22-2020 07:21 PM

We LOVE our Forest River ROCKWOOD windjammer. It had a couple of issues fixed under warranty. Recently, it developed a roof pool problem but we will fix that ourselves.
This weekend we camped beside a beautiful Jayco 5th wheel. It was only 2 years old and very well maintained. The owners was upset because the plumbing in the kitchen was all loose. Drain not working and water leaking everywhere.
Every brand of trailer has issues...buy what you like and be careful of the PDI before you leave the dealership
Maybe find an experienced camper to go with you.

KAL 09-22-2020 07:48 PM

Thank you everyone. I just spent some time looking at the other models that folks said were quality or they had good experiences with. All were nice but mainly too large or lacked some of our basic requirements, which I don’t think are too grand. We had only 4 or 5 basic requirements:

-keep it within the 19’ to 22’ range, and light. We’re towing with a 2020 Ford Ranger with a 7500 lb towing capacity.
-Murphy Bed so we can have both a dinette and love seat and the illusion of more space.
-One slide-out
-Decent full-function bathroom
-Sufficient kitchen counter space and reasonable fridge capacity
-Of course, Chuck had a lot of technical requirements beyond the above. I’m not getting involved in that.

The Surveyor Legend 203RKLE ticked all the boxes. I think we’re going to move forward with ordering it. Based on everyone’s feedback on the importance of the dealer/service shop, the work remaining is researching the two dealers we got quotes from, which are 5k apart. Both dealerships are listed on the FR website. The more expensive one is local in Tucson while the more affordable one is in Phx, 2 hours away. Phx is a more competitive market, and the dealer said they just started carrying the FR line so maybe they're a little more hungry for the business? We’ve been looking off and on for a year now, have been cooped-up for the last 7 months, and I just want to get out of dodge sometime soon. Thank you all again for your great input. It’s “expected” to come in the Nov/Dec timeframe and we’ll be sure to let everyone know how it goes. Thanks again. ---Kathleen & Chuck BTW, this group ROCKS! Looking forward to getting to know you.

dmctlc 09-22-2020 08:04 PM

Great please get back to us, I for one would like to know where you went, why and how everything turns out once you get it. Thanks and enjoy...

aceinspp 09-22-2020 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bikendan (Post 2419154)
Very True!

X 2 you will hear the complaints but very seldom to good side. Later RJD

dschust1 09-22-2020 08:34 PM

We bought a 2018 Minilight 2104s used from a dealer. We love it!! We didnt have to wait for it and it still smells new! This is our first camper so buying something that had kinks worked and wasnt built in the rush of Covid sales makes me feel like we got a good deal without the depreciation! It was a trial purchase but its a keeper now!

busch543 09-22-2020 08:35 PM

IMO
 
Most important is the floor plan .If it meets your needs , then who makes them.
The next thing would be how much you can pay for the quality level .Most rvs are well engineered .This may sound a little over simplified but the day of the week your rv was made is probably the most important quality ingredient of all.
Just my thought . Good luck with whatever you chose .

UGACamper 09-22-2020 08:39 PM

Same story. Went for r-pod, came home with a Surveyor. I think if you go into it expecting perfection, you will be disappointed. Just like a house, there is always the potential for something to break or go wrong. But we have had ZERO issues with using our Forever warranty, everything has been covered. Our dealer is wonderful.

KAL 09-22-2020 08:56 PM

How Perfect! Thank you.

IvoryHemi 09-22-2020 09:24 PM

Iíve had some minor issues with my Coachmen, which I expected based on research. Dealers have been great. Overall, happy so far

wmtire 09-22-2020 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bikendan (Post 2419158)
Actually Rockwood is made by the Rockwood/Flagstaff division of Forest River. Forest River's separate divisions make the RVs, in their own factories.


A lot of confusion starts with the fact that there is a 'Forest River RV' (and it's associated divisions) within the 'Forest River Inc' parent company.

When the "Forest River" moniker is thrown out there in posts, it could be referring to the RV or the Inc parts...which are different

This thread may help:

https://www.forestriverforums.com/fo...rv-200163.html

KAL 09-22-2020 10:10 PM

Thank you for the thread. I've been trying to figure out where the Surveyor resides. Very helpful.

dmctlc 09-22-2020 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by aceinspp (Post 2419231)
X 2 you will hear the complaints but very seldom to good side. Later RJD

I'm not sure complaints are the only thing you hear on this forum many times I've heard folks tell the happiness they've had with their RVs on this former, I'm sure you've and others that made that comment of only hearing complaints have yourselves started or made positive threads. Right? But these forums help this deal with the many quality issues that the RV industry have. I, myself several times compare the RV industry to the auto industry of the 70s and 80s when high quality Japanese cars started its quest into the American market and it changed the auto industry for all of us. Well if you think the RV industry is up to the quality level of today's cars your sadly mistaken. Iíve had friends with million dollar Class As with issues similar to TTs, popups etc. And others with really none. The point is in many cases most people deal with their issues, others fight it out with the dealers and others have maybe no real issues. Many never join the forums for many reasons. I've camped for my entire life from tents, pop-ups and TTs and thats a fairly long life but until I bought my first Class A I never thought of the forums existed, had time with two full-time careers for over 40 yrs. But now that I'm here I enjoyed the information good or bad and appreciate everyone's input, most of the time, like I'm sure everyone else does. Besides without complaints why would a forum exist to tell everyone the RVs are running fine 🙂. I learn about mods, upgraded, so it is what it is so we all learn. Its helped many make some good decisions I'm sure. Now I'm sure some won't like what I said but IMHO now tha I'm retired and can spend more time reading I find even at my age there's lot to learn even here. Enjoy i love camping, clamping or whatever its called today. 😉

dvalley 09-22-2020 11:50 PM

We have owned forest river products for over ten years and would not even consider purchasing anything else. The quality is far superior to any other brand of camper that we looked at, or knew from others who have owned them. We currently have a rockwood roo 23ss and it is absolutely perfect for most of our needs. Only two minor issues in the six years we have had it. Would not hesitate to buy another forest river product.

KAL 09-23-2020 12:01 AM

Thank you. I've learned a lot and feeling much more confident in our decision to go with the Surveyor Legend. We can't wait to hit the road. Let's hope it shows up before the end of the year. :)

bikendan 09-23-2020 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wmtire (Post 2419296)
A lot of confusion starts with the fact that there is a 'Forest River RV' (and it's associated divisions) within the 'Forest River Inc' parent company.

When the "Forest River" moniker is thrown out there in posts, it could be referring to the RV or the Inc parts...which are different

This thread may help:

https://www.forestriverforums.com/fo...rv-200163.html

But it's probably best to use the actual brand name with the model number, instead of just "Forest River" in front of the model number.
And some brands use the same model number.

rlocicero 09-23-2020 06:43 AM

We have a Flagstaff Superlite 8296FKSS and love it. We would buy another one in a heartbeat but they discontinued our floorplan and have none that we like now. It is ten years old and we decided to fix it up. We had to replace a couple of lights, a compartment latch, a window blind in the kitchen and one plastic vent cover. I caulked any lights or seams that were questionable and had JRV RV Service check the caulk on the roof. They touched up caulking as needed and inspected the roof for water leaks and damage (none were found). I still need to have the roof cleaned and have a protector applied. I used to do that myself, but at 72 with 2 new knees and a new hip, I do not feel comfortable up there any more. Between the lights, caulking, parts and roof maintenance, we are all set for about $4oo.oo. Repairs over the years have been minimal. We did have one major delamination issue with the floor just after the warranty expired but Forest River brought the trailer back to the factory and replaced it and covered it under warranty.

alealitha 09-23-2020 02:46 PM

I looked at the floor plan you're considering (Surveyor Legend 203RKLE). Two things that come to mind were issues we had with our first RV. The bench table, while providing very nice storage underneath, was horrible for long term sitting. Dinner was fine, but a several hours of game night and the benches were just horribly uncomfortable. Second, it looks like the couch/seating area is at an angle to the TV, again, for short periods was fine, but for any length of time it grew uncomfortable. Both were things we didn't consider when we got our 1st rv, but were among the issues that caused us to sell that one and buy another.

You may have already considered this, just wanted to add some personal experience.
Adam


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