2018 Salem CITY WATER vs FRESH WATER (use CW but FW is overflowing)

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Good morning...I have a 2018 Salem Travel Trailer that I've been living in since Helene flooded my house. I was using City Water with no problem up until a few weeks ago when our Utility company notified me that I had used 68 gallons of water in the last 48 hours and I should look for a leak.

Upon inspection, there were no leaks at or in the house, so I turned my attention to the Travel Trailer. The valve on the left (with a hose attached) is CITY WATER, which had been working fine so far. The larger valve/cap on the right is the FRESH WATER tank, which I had never used or filled up. Upon inspection, the Fresh Water cap was leaking water and dribbling down the side of the trailer into the ground. In order to stop the leaking, I had to turn off the water source from the house and rely on the Fresh Water already in the tank with the use of the pump. Using the fresh water/pump produces a low flow water supply that will diminish down to a slow dribble. If I need a steady flow of water with good pressure, I have to go turn on the spigot at the faucet on the outside of the house, then turn it off immediately.
I'm stumped as to how to fix this problem so I can resume City Water without the Fresh Water cap overflowing.
 

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It's possible that you have a valve failure. It's a common problem.
When this happens, you usually get a stream of water from the fresh water tank overflow/vent and have water flowing to the ground from under the rig.
The fact that it's flowing from the fresh water fill is a bit unusual.

Try this to try to reset the valve. Turn off the city water, turn on the water pump, open and close a faucet in the trailer to relieve pressure, turn off the water pump, turn on city water. You may have to do this more than once.
If that doesn't work, you might have to replace the fresh water pump or the check valve inside it.
In the future, make certain the water pump is off when connected to city water.

Welcome to the forum!
 
It's possible that you have a valve failure. It's a common problem.
When this happens, you usually get a stream of water from the fresh water tank overflow/vent and have water flowing to the ground from under the rig.
The fact that it's flowing from the fresh water fill is a bit unusual.

Try this to try to reset the valve. Turn off the city water, turn on the water pump, open and close a faucet in the trailer to relieve pressure, turn off the water pump, turn on city water. You may have to do this more than once.
If that doesn't work, you might have to replace the fresh water pump or the check valve inside it.
In the future, make certain the water pump is off when connected to city water.

Welcome to the forum!
OP - What is happening is there is sufficient leakage in the check valve in the pump to fill you fresh water tank.
If the above solution doesn't work for you, see if there is a shut-off valve on the line that comes from the fresh water tank to the pump. If there is turn if off, if there isn't then you might want to have one installed.

Good luck and be safe - :campfire:
 
Moved thread from the General Community Discussion section to the Plumbing, Water Systems and Fixtures sub-forum since the OP's questions are specific to that particular sub-forum and are not general community discussion questions.
 
OP - What is happening is there is sufficient leakage in the check valve in the pump to fill you fresh water tank.
If the above solution doesn't work for you, see if there is a shut-off valve on the line that comes from the fresh water tank to the pump. If there is turn if off, if there isn't then you might want to have one installed.

Good luck and be safe - :campfire:
Same thing just happened to me. My wife woke me up because she heard leaking. Luckily it was the freshwater overflow. Second time since I got my camper new in 2018. The first time I just replaced the pump. Not a fan of having to do that when I don't even use the pump.

Which line do I install the cut off valve? I want to completely isolate the pump with a shut off valve. Would it mess anything up to just install the shut off on the intake side of the pump? Will the city water still work if I do that? I've watched a few videos but no one is clear on this. Check valves and replacing pump videos aren't helping!
 
Which line do I install the cut off valve? I want to completely isolate the pump with a shut off valve. Would it mess anything up to just install the shut off on the intake side of the pump? Will the city water still work if I do that? I've watched a few videos but no one is clear on this. Check valves and replacing pump videos aren't helping!
You need to make certain the pump is off when you're connected to city water.
You should be able to install the shut off on the intake side of the pump without affecting anything else.
The city water doesn't go through the water pump. Not sure how your's is plumbed, but it is independent of the fresh water tank system.
 
I always advise putting the shut-off on the outlet side of the water pump and here's why...
If you put the shut-off on the outlet side (pressure) and forget to open it and turn on the pump, the pump will simply build pressure against the shut-off and turn itself off. (provided there is water in the fresh tank)
If you put it on the inlet side (suction) of the pump and forget to open the shut-off and turn on the pump, the pump will continue to run, trying to pump air. (or nothing)

In either location, REMEMBERING to open the shut-off when using the pump is a must.
 
Good morning...I have a 2018 Salem Travel Trailer that I've been living in since Helene flooded my house. I was using City Water with no problem up until a few weeks ago when our Utility company notified me that I had used 68 gallons of water in the last 48 hours and I should look for a leak.

Upon inspection, there were no leaks at or in the house, so I turned my attention to the Travel Trailer. The valve on the left (with a hose attached) is CITY WATER, which had been working fine so far. The larger valve/cap on the right is the FRESH WATER tank, which I had never used or filled up. Upon inspection, the Fresh Water cap was leaking water and dribbling down the side of the trailer into the ground. In order to stop the leaking, I had to turn off the water source from the house and rely on the Fresh Water already in the tank with the use of the pump. Using the fresh water/pump produces a low flow water supply that will diminish down to a slow dribble. If I need a steady flow of water with good pressure, I have to go turn on the spigot at the faucet on the outside of the house, then turn it off immediately.
I'm stumped as to how to fix this problem so I can resume City Water without the Fresh Water cap overflowing.
UPDATE: Upon observation, it seems that the City Water, when the hose is turned on, is somehow bleeding into the Fresh Water tank. I know this bc I completely drained the Fresh Water tank, then turned on the hose for City Water. Everything worked as it should for a couple of hours with the City Water (there was no leaking at the Fresh Water input). After awhile, I checked both the City Water and Fresh Water input caps. CW was ok, but the Fresh Water input cap was leaking water. I'm making an assumption that somehow the City Water is getting into the Fresh Water tank, filling it up, then overflowing out of the input cap (instead of the drain line underneath the trailer). I then turned off the hose, then turned on the pump and that stopped the leaking. The water pressure was dismal and slowly got down to just a dribble as the FW tank drained.
I did unscrew the CW hose, take off the screen and push the little white button and then reattached the hose. The problem persisted. Question: if I replace both the CW and FW intakes, are the sizes universal? Anything I need to know about ordering from Amazon? Thanks to all that have responded!
 
HI, all.

There's two things happening here.
1. City water is filling your fresh water tank, which - in turn - overflows onto the ground.
2. When on tank/pump, pump is unable to provide adequate pressure ("dismal," as Holly mentioned).

It's likely that these are related, but they seem like two separate issues. Seems like both need to be addressed.

#1 is a common problem, we see it often - this is what most people are suggesting. I've been getting a lot of mileage out of this diagram lately. It's got a couple of features that your system doesn't have, but it will work to show the theory. Check it out and see if this doesn't help explain things:

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Look at the green line. Water comes IN at your city water connection (on the left), flows to the right and down/counterclockwise down to where it T's into the supply line... and then continues out to the rest of the trailer (in this case, through an inline filter, out to the all the cold water supplies and to the hot water heater....

When you're on city water, your entire plumbing system is pressurized by the source line and you get water flowing to your outlets when you open them. That pressure that pushes all that water OUT the green line ALSO puts pressure onto the orange side of line, pushing BACKwards against the pump (in this case, pushing to the left/clockwise).

This is anticipated and by design. Normally, a one-way check valve AT the water pump stops city water from flowing backwards through the pump, and then UPstream (the wrong way) into your freshwater tank, and then - as you discovered - out the overflow vent and/or the sidewall gravity port.

This one way check valve sometimes gets stuck open. Sometimes it's because of sediment, sometimes some buildup or crud, sometimes it just gets stuck and/or worn out. When the valve gets stuck open, water from the city line (pressurized side) is pushed backwards through the pump, slowing making its way to (and through) the fresh tank.

The fix for this can be pretty simple. You can send water back and forth through the checkvalve to exercise it, or unstick it. To do this, simply move back and forth from pump to city water, and let some water flow from a faucet using both methods.

I don't mean to belabor the point, here's some specifics:

Let's say you're starting on city water (pump should be OFF, as it should always be when you're on city water).

1. Open any faucet (cold water will do) and let a little water run. Close faucet.
2. Shut OFF city water valve. Turn ON water pump.
3. Open a faucet and let a little water run. Close faucet.
4. Shut OFF water pump. Turn ON city water valve.
5. Repeat.

Doing this a few times may cause the valve to unstick, freeing any crud or sediment in it, or causing it to reseat itself.

If this doesn't work, you can look to replace the one-way valve, or - in lieue of that - work around it, and install a definite cut off valve. This would serve the SAME purpose as the one-way check valve, but would be more positive.

You can put it on either side of the pump (likely right up against it), but I'm sorta with 5Picker on this, because there are instances where I will use either my pump OR city water. This aligns with the cardinal rule of campers - if it works for YOU and YOUR use case, then do THAT. What works for you might not work for someone else.

If you are ALWAYS on city water and NEVER on pump (looking at you, Jarufus), then I might be convinced to put the shutoff valve on the outlet side, which would separate the pump entirely from the fresh side, elminating the pump (and all its connections and gaskets and whatnot) as sources of leaks and problems. It'd be installed on the orange line to the RIGHT of the pump in the diagram shown (ideally right up next to it, between the pump and *any* T for any other source/path for water).

For ME and my use case - if I was going to install one - I'd put it on the INTAKE side of the pump (for the system benefit 5picker mentioned: if you forget to open it for when you are on your tank, the pump will continue to run letting you know something was not okay). So in my case it'd be installed on the orange line to the LEFT of the pump (again, ideally right up next to it, between the pump and any T where the (optional) antifreeze intake is shown). That valve will absolutely keep city water from flowing back into your fresh tank (and out onto the ground).

NOW, second issue is that your pump doesn't seem to be providing adequate pressure. I don't have a real grasp on that one yet, and MIGHT be helped with some attention to the system, so I suggest we address issue #1, see how that does, and then try to tackle #2.

Just my .02. I could be - and, as many of you have appropriately pointed out - often am wrong.
 
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The pump and its check valve…. needs to be be cleaned as previously noted in other posts

You can try the flush method which is hit or miss ….if it works
Or you can take the pump apart and clean it properly.

The build up of enough sentiment in the pump diaphragm and the valve takes a long time …. To make the pump leak
Cleaning it properly takes 30-60 minutes and only usually requires a screw driver or two.

If you find damage to the diaphragm or valve …… you can buy a pump kit that has everything you need ….rubber that will last at least another 5 to 10 years

Hardest part of the job is locating the pump … mine is under the kitchen drawers
 
If you've got sediment in the pump diaphragm, then something is amiss with your sediment bowl, or you don't have one. As far as the "pump kits" go, by the time they add the shipping cost to the kit, you might as well get a new pump. Personally, I wouldn't trust the quality of any chinese kits on ebay or amazon. A lot of the kits don't come with the check valve, and it has to be ordered separately under PN 94-800-03.
 
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Buy the kit from the pump manufacturer
Which in theory should be the same quality

I got about 15 years from my boat freshwater pump

Sediment can come from any number of sources … hard water or a bad metallic fitting that is Not correctly bonded
Water heaters are a good source of sediment in a rv
 
But not in the fresh water pump.
Why not?
Pump is basically on same piece of plumbing section (tubing/pipe)

My pump is below the tank and no reason why sediment from tank could not work its way to pump

If you ever clean out a diaphragm pump you will see it does not take a lot of dirt etc to affect its performance

Pump filter/screen is on the other side of the pump too… can’t expect the filter to protect diaphragm from dirt/sludge/sediment that forms inside the actual plumbing system

Nonetheless, whether it is caused by this or that Or other not yet specified way…..
A good clean out and inspection once every few years is not too much to do?
 
Why not?
Pump is basically on same piece of plumbing section (tubing/pipe)

My pump is below the tank and no reason why sediment from tank could not work its way to pump
Umm, because sediment is carried by FLOW, not by gravity. There is FLOW when you open the low-point drains without bypassing the water heater. There is NO FLOW just because the water pump is lower than the water heater. Even if the check valve is seeping, that's not enough FLOW to move sediment.
 
You got flow 100% of the time?
Sounds like a leak to me

Maybe your pump check valve is silted up

Sediment can be stirred up by flow and it’s not 100% guaranteed that it will be carried away to a safe pre determined place

Under normal use my cold water side feeds the hot water heater …. When I’m not showering the stirred up stuff…. is free to do whatever it wants … because I don’t turn the bypass valves on each use

Then gravity still free to work inside pipes etc

Many people don’t even know how or why they should bypass the heater anyways
I always thought you bypass it so when you clean it out …..the majority of the crap does not go into the main water system where it can cause all sorts of problems.

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Umm, because sediment is carried by FLOW, not by gravity. There is FLOW when you open the low-point drains without bypassing the water heater. There is NO FLOW just because the water pump is lower than the water heater. Even if the check valve is seeping, that's not enough FLOW to move sediment.
 

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