black tank apparently ruptured under warranty but misdiagnosed

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Is there a sure-fire way to identify a black tank rupture without removing the underbelly cover?
Does a 31BHD PrimeTime Tracer have any black tank overflow protection?
Our 2023 31BHD Primetime Tracer had a broken Thetford commode valve, second trip, in the first 30 days of ownership. Forest River authorized a remote tech replacement of the commode valve so we could continue our vacation. Before that event and ever since, we had issues with black tank smell like we had never experienced in our previous Tracer24DBS or 2021 Surveyor 19RBLE. On all 3 TTs, we maintained the tanks exactly the same. On one trip back to the dealer on this smell issue, they remedied a glug-glug sound on the grey tank by attaching a vent pipe that had never been attached at the factory and replaced an air admittance valve.

Next camping trip, on our second black tank flush on the 31BHD, while my wife and I were standing a few feet away from the sewage line, we heard a very loud low-pitched sound like "FOOOM!!" I immediately stopped the blank tank flush and inspected inside the camper and outside; but found no water anywhere. The following week, on return to the dealer, the tech thought that a tank strap could have broken, so he opened a 2 foot section of the underbelly cover to do a visual inspection. He had me look at it to confirm that the strap was intact and the tank was secure. He never mentioned the possibility that a rupture could have occurred which would explain what followed.
After multiple return trips to the dealer, for the same issue, I discovered on my own out that the black tank roof vent pipe was off-center to the vent cap with a gap that allowed the gases to vent in the bathroom wall. That was also repaired by a remote tech on another trip which slightly improved the smell until we drove back home. All the circumstance seems to point to a tank rupture. Since then, we have also experienced multiple black tank overflows resulting from very short duration [3 mins] black tank flushes. The overflows have all been underneath with one exception where there was water seepage around the commode.
 
do you keep water in the bowl...


I also smeared some plumbers grease on the seal between the ball valve that slides open and the bowl seal

you have to open the valve to be able to reach in and smear grease on the bottom of the seal

If it smells real bad when you flush ... then you need to make sure the vent is attached and working
When water/yukky stuff goes down the black hole ... it has to displace air in the tank
That air has to go someplace!
 
always water in the bowl... Yes very aware of vent pipe function

always water in the bowl...
Yes very aware of how the vent pipe is required to avoid pressurizing gasses and allow water displacement on commode flushes and so forth.
do you keep water in the bowl...


I also smeared some plumbers grease on the seal between the ball valve that slides open and the bowl seal

you have to open the valve to be able to reach in and smear grease on the bottom of the seal

If it smells real bad when you flush ... then you need to make sure the vent is attached and working
When water/yukky stuff goes down the black hole ... it has to displace air in the tank
That air has to go someplace!
 
Sounds like the problem is where the black tank flush is mounted to the tank. Everything seems to happen when the flush is being used. The sound you heard was probably the flush separating from the tank, or the hose separating from the flush. It probably isnt overflowing from the tank but rather not making it into the tank. Is the overflow just water? Or, to not be too graphic, is the overflow actually containing contents that you would find in a black tank?
 
Thanks SemperFi24, On Time On Target Never Quit

SemperFi24 great handle! Marine and BUDS ethos are my two favs.
The black tank flush goes through the motions of flushing and fills the tank pretty quickly so I don't think the supply line fitting separated with the tank. If that sound was what we heard, I would expect a kinda' snappy "Pop" sound; but the sound we heard was a very low frequency "FOOOM" [kinda like the difference between FT BRAGG's howitzers and when the Camp LeJeune's marine artillery rolled into the range].

When we experience overflows, almost all the water is outside with only an occasional puddle inside around the commode [indication there could be a marginal wax seal]. None of the overflow includes solids which might point to a rupture on the top side of the black tank, only allowing the top zone of the water column to escape the crack on the topside.

All graphic black tank comments welcome within community bounds.

Sounds like the problem is where the black tank flush is mounted to the tank. Everything seems to happen when the flush is being used. The sound you heard was probably the flush separating from the tank, or the hose separating from the flush. It probably isnt overflowing from the tank but rather not making it into the tank. Is the overflow just water? Or, to not be too graphic, is the overflow actually containing contents that you would find in a black tank?
 
If it were me I would go up on the roof and take off the vent cap to look down in the vent line for a blockage. And don’t forget to look at the cap for one too. The sound you described sounds to me like the flush pressurized the tank and with nowhere for the displaced air to go and it blew the vent pipe out of the black tank. Additionally the opposite might be happening, if the vent pipe was never attached and has fallen down into the tank, once the water level reaches the bottom of the pipe there is no vent anymore.
 
Thanks IamProStreet--Definitely not a vent blockage...

Thanks IamProStreet--Definitely not a vent blockage, as the things you'd expect to happen with an intact vent pipe are happening, regardless of the apparent tank level. Confirmed no blockages on top, very doubtful on the tank side. I think it's at a point where we need to take off the underbelly cover. I'm dreading this because of the ramset fasteners holding it on. The only way to drop it it tact is to cut a flap under the tank [not recommended by most sources] grind off the fasteners.
 
Just a thought. Have you looked at the under belly to see if you have a inspection plate that can be removed easily and then using a flash light to if can see the leak. I had one on my camper.
 
how about a cheap camera that attaches to your phone
empty/flush the tanks first.

cameras ----> https://www.google.com/search?clien...Mjg0NDkxNjc4Nw==,pvt:hg,pvo:3&oshop=apv&pvs=0

you can look down the BIG potty hole ... inside the tank etc
then drop it down the roof vent

you can get cameras to attach to a phone or ones with their own screens
$20-50

could even drill small hole in underbelly to look around ??? (maybe..... if you want.)
 

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