Door locks question

[v908]

The two locks on my Forester 2251 are keyed differently. That is, the deadbolt is a different key from the regular latch. Does anyone know why Forest River would do that? My previous RV, a travel trailer, had both locks keyed to the same key. I don't see any advantage to keying them differently. Any insight?

 

[dcheatwood]

Forest river doesn't make the locks. Trimark is probably the maker.

 

[v908]

Forest river doesn't make the locks. Trimark is probably the maker.

I didn't mean to suggest that Forest River made the locks, I was just wondering why they were keyed differently. I recently heard that the reason is that the deadbolt is somewhat unique to the vehicle, but the "regular" paddle locks are all keyed the same so that the dealership doesn't have to have keys to every coach on the lot... Kind of like the CH751 cargo locks, I suppose.

 

[Reverse_snowbird]

On our tt and again on our mh, I was told that they use the deadbolt for shipping. Perhaps they have a master key for one of the locks and an individual key for the rig. Like an individual car key.

 

[Northwoods Bob]

On our tt and again on our mh, I was told that they use the deadbolt for shipping. Perhaps they have a master key for one of the locks and an individual key for the rig. Like an individual car key.

My two locks are keyed differently as well. I was provided 2 keys for the main entry lock but apparently no key for the deadbolt. Have others been issued two separate keys (different cuts), which are functional in both locks?

 

[wszApex245]

Trimark sells the two different key system for convenience and security.

TriMark, just like Global Link, sells Master Keyed lock systems to the RV manufacturers including Forest River to provide the manufacturers, dealers, fleet owners, and service technician’s convenience and accessibility to every RV with as few keys as possible.

TriMark’s “Master” door lock system, and I quote, offers the RV owner the benefit of the dealer being able “… to service the lock cylinder in the event of lost keys or lock cylinder failure.” “This system also allows for certain products or locks such as a deadbolt lock to be keyed different for an added level of security or restricted access. Master keyed versions are also available, providing dealers, fleet owners, and service technician’s convenience and accessibility.” (https://www.trimarkcorp.com/en/media/additional/060/110-0105_Rev2.pdf)

If you want a key that will open your paddle lock and most likely every other TriMark paddle lock, get yourself a set of TriMark Master keys off of eBay and use the one of 7-keys with the corresponding letter keys (1P, 1R, 1M, 3M, 1N, 2P, 1L) stamped on the cylinder.

For fun, you could start locking everyone’s TriMark lock in the campground while you are out for a walk.

If you want to secure your RV while you are away from it, you have to lock the non-stamped lock/deadbolt to prevent access via a Master key.

No idea how to rekey and remove the Master key out of your system.

By the way, TriMark sells a “Universal Baggage Compartment” key system also. This is a covenient way of saying the RV next to yours with a TriMark baggage compartment key has the same key as yours.

Happy Camping.

 

[v908]

My two locks are keyed differently as well. I was provided 2 keys for the main entry lock but apparently no key for the deadbolt. Have others been issued two separate keys (different cuts), which are functional in both locks?

Yes, with both my current RV and my previous TT I was issued two sets of keys, each with two keys (one for the deadbolt and one for the 'regular' lock).

 

[dat]

Ours is keyed the same, one key fits door handle, deadbolt, and outside compartments

 

[TitanMike]

After years of messing with RV door lock keys I "modernized".

I installed an RV Lock keyless entry lock. Still have a key should the batteries go dead but the rest of the time I can use an push button fob or just key in a 4-digit code.

Also don't have to worry about whether or not anyone else has a key because the factory keyed locks all the same or whether I lost the key while beach-combing or hiking.

 

[wszApex245]

After years of messing with RV door lock keys I "modernized".

I installed an RV Lock keyless entry lock. Still have a key should the batteries go dead but the rest of the time I can use an push button fob or just key in a 4-digit code.

Also don't have to worry about whether or not anyone else has a key because the factory keyed locks all the same or whether I lost the key while beach-combing or hiking.

I believe RVLock uses the Bauer lock cylinders by AP Products. I also believe the RVLock uses a Master Keyed cylinder in the lock that the touchpad/wireless fob/key operate. This allows the manufacturer, haulers, dealers, and repair shops to open every trailer with only 19-Master keys.

This can be identified by an “M” stamped on the face of the cylinder. This means the only way to prevent a Master key from being used to enter your trailer is by you manually locking the deadbolt cylinder with the key. A Bauer/AP Products Master key can be purchased on eBay for $22.95 by anyone.

My Global Link Ultra Keyless lock had the same problem, which is why I ordered my lock without “M” stamped cylinders. Using a key for the deadbolt defeated the whole idea of the keyless entry.

The only problem is when you drop your trailer at a repair shop, you have to remember to leave them a key. They have never asked me for a key. You can figure out why on your own. When I offer my keys to a repair shop, they always chuckle and refuse until I explain there are no Master keyed locks on my trailer.

 

[TitanMike]

I believe RVLock uses the Bauer lock cylinders by AP Products. I also believe the RVLock uses a Master Keyed cylinder in the lock that the touchpad/wireless fob/key operate. This allows the manufacturer, haulers, dealers, and repair shops to open every trailer with only 19-Master keys.

This can be identified by an “M” stamped on the face of the cylinder. This means the only way to prevent a Master key from being used to enter your trailer is by you manually locking the deadbolt cylinder with the key. A Bauer/AP Products Master key can be purchased on eBay for $22.95 by anyone.

My Global Link Ultra Keyless lock had the same problem, which is why I ordered my lock without “M” stamped cylinders. Using a key for the deadbolt defeated the whole idea of the keyless entry.

The only problem is when you drop your trailer at a repair shop, you have to remember to leave them a key. They have never asked me for a key. You can figure out why on your own. When I offer my keys to a repair shop, they always chuckle and refuse until I explain there are no Master keyed locks on my trailer.

I just checked my RV Lock and yes, the cylinder that locks the "paddle" is stamped with an "M".

Since I never lock the paddle but rather always lock the Deadbolt, and can also lock the deadbolt with my "fob" my TT to a dealer I'd merely program in a temporary code, giving the dealer the number, and when I got trailer back I'd immediately reprogram the keypad with a new code.

NO Master keys will work this way.

As far as locking only the "paddle", not much security as a determined thief can merely "brute force" the paddle and open the door. A deadbolt takes a lot more work.

 

[wszApex245]

I just checked my RV Lock and yes, the cylinder that locks the "paddle" is stamped with an "M".

Since I never lock the paddle but rather always lock the Deadbolt, and can also lock the deadbolt with my "fob" my TT to a dealer I'd merely program in a temporary code, giving the dealer the number, and when I got trailer back I'd immediately reprogram the keypad with a new code.

NO Master keys will work this way.

As far as locking only the "paddle", not much security as a determined thief can merely "brute force" the paddle and open the door. A deadbolt takes a lot more work.

The fob operates both the paddle and the deadbolt cylinders? Independently?

That is very interesting.

Does the keypad operate the paddle and deadbolt locks independently?

 

[TitanMike]

The fob operates both the paddle and the deadbolt cylinders? Independently?



That is very interesting.



Does the keypad operate the paddle and deadbolt locks independently?

No, the fob only controls the deadbolt.

If the deadbolt is set nobody is opening the door with a master key. Only with key matching deadbolt cylinder, properly coded fob, or keypad code. Only paddle lock cylinder is master keyed.

I never lock the paddle. Why bother with master keys all over the place for these locks?

 

[Theo-FRF]

{snip}...I'd merely program in a temporary code, giving the dealer the number, and when I got trailer back I'd immediately reprogram the keypad with a new code...{snip}

Brilliant! A good case for the RV Lock!

Let's see...perhaps I'd use a temporary code of "751".