frameless window leak (Surveyor Legend)

dra692

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My front frameless window has developed a small leak (only a small drip at the point of where my finger is pointing in the picture). I've placed a hand towel on the outside of the window and that has prevented leakage during a rain - and i think i have isolated the issue to that side of the window (assuming the top portion). I've inspected to the best of my ability but don't see any smoking gun (seal/crack/looseness/etc). I've read to try tightening the screws on the inside to pull the window against the gasket and/or to run a bead of caulk on the outside. I just wanted to confirm my situation w/ those that might have had similar experiences with similar models. Any guidance and help is appreciated. Thanks

Dave
 

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My front frameless window has developed a small leak (only a small drip at the point of where my finger is pointing in the picture). I've placed a hand towel on the outside of the window and that has prevented leakage during a rain - and i think i have isolated the issue to that side of the window (assuming the top portion). I've inspected to the best of my ability but don't see any smoking gun (seal/crack/looseness/etc). I've read to try tightening the screws on the inside to pull the window against the gasket and/or to run a bead of caulk on the outside. I just wanted to confirm my situation w/ those that might have had similar experiences with similar models. Any guidance and help is appreciated. Thanks

Dave
My front window has developed a leak too. What a mess only a year old. Can you tell me are their videos on replacing the gasket on this front window. I have a 2024 19rble Surveyor.
 
My front window has developed a leak too. What a mess only a year old. Can you tell me are their videos on replacing the gasket on this front window. I have a 2024 19rble Surveyor.
Hi. Sorry you're having trouble.

If there are vids, I haven't seen any dealing with that.

It must not be very common. There are a lot of rigs with windshields.

Please post any follow ups, so we can all learn what it takes.
 
My front window has developed a leak too. What a mess only a year old. Can you tell me are their videos on replacing the gasket on this front window. I have a 2024 19rble Surveyor.
As DJ252, I would like to know what you find @Cliff123 and/or @dra692 (probs gone, posted in 2023).

My new 19RBLE is in storage and I don't know/can't see how my windshield is attached. If there are screws on the inside that release it, then it should be a "simple" matter of fixing/replacing the gasket if it's cut or something. But if a frame is adhered to the glass (for the inside screws to pull it in and against the outside wall) then I suppose that frame could have come free from the glass.

Anyone know how these are done?
 
Here is what grok.com has to say about it. Essentially it seems the glass is glued to the camper's aluminum framing, and then a weather-sealing gasket wound around it (if that is even right).

I won't deny that I find this somewhat troubling, i.e. I'd feel better if there were some sort of metal clip/clasp that grips the glass and in turn is screwed-into the frame structure.

The windshield glass in a Forest River 2024 Surveyor Legend travel trailer, specifically the "automotive-style tinted front windshield" that comes standard with the Surveyor Legend Package, is affixed to the trailer’s frame using a combination of structural framing and sealing techniques typical in RV manufacturing. While exact details specific to the 2024 Surveyor Legend are not publicly documented in step-by-step form (as manufacturers like Forest River often keep precise assembly methods proprietary), I can provide a general explanation based on common practices in RV construction and the known features of this model.

The windshield is integrated into the front cap of the trailer, which is typically constructed with a laminated aluminum frame. For the Surveyor Legend, the front wall includes 1.5-inch laminated aluminum frame sidewalls and rear walls with R7 closed-cell block foam insulation, as noted in product descriptions from dealers like Couch’s RV Nation. The windshield itself is framed with aluminum around all openings (windows, doors, and appliances), providing a rigid structure for mounting. This aluminum framing is likely part of the front cap assembly, which is molded to accommodate the windshield’s shape and size.

The affixing process generally involves the following steps, adapted to the Surveyor Legend’s design:

1. **Framing and Preparation**: The windshield opening is pre-framed during the construction of the front cap, using aluminum extrusions that are part of the trailer’s structural skeleton. This ensures a precise fit and alignment with the trailer’s aerodynamic profile.

2. **Adhesive Bonding**: The windshield is secured using a high-strength, weather-resistant polyurethane adhesive or sealant, commonly used in automotive and RV applications. This adhesive bonds the glass directly to the aluminum frame, creating a watertight and durable seal. The Surveyor Legend’s emphasis on quality construction (e.g., Azdel composite panels and PVC roofing) suggests a focus on robust sealing methods to prevent leaks, a critical factor for a front windshield exposed to wind, rain, and road debris.

3. **Mechanical Fastening (if applicable)**: In some RV designs, additional mechanical fasteners like screws or clips may supplement the adhesive, hidden under trim or rubber gaskets. However, modern RV windshields, especially those labeled "automotive-style" like in the Surveyor Legend, often rely primarily on adhesive bonding for a cleaner look and better aerodynamics, with the aluminum frame providing structural support.

4. **Sealing and Trim**: After the windshield is affixed, a rubber gasket or trim piece is typically applied around the edges to enhance the seal, protect the adhesive from UV degradation, and improve aesthetics. The Surveyor Legend’s construction cutaways highlight features like sealed underbellies and radiant foil insulation, indicating a similar attention to sealing integrity around the windshield.

The "automotive-style" designation implies a design akin to car windshields, which are laminated for safety (two layers of glass with a plastic interlayer) and bonded seamlessly to the frame. This contrasts with older RV designs that might use simpler window frames or less integrated glass. The Surveyor Legend’s lightweight construction (many models are under 4,000 lbs.) and use of Azdel composite walls suggest the windshield installation prioritizes both durability and weight savings, aligning with the trailer’s towing efficiency goals.

For exact specifics—like the brand of adhesive or tolerances used—you’d need to consult Forest River’s manufacturing documentation or a dealer service manual, which isn’t publicly available. However, this general process reflects industry standards and aligns with the Surveyor Legend’s advertised build quality. If you’re looking to replace or repair one, a professional RV technician would remove the old windshield by cutting the adhesive with a specialized tool, cleaning the frame, and reapplying a compatible sealant before installing a new pane.
 
Here is what grok.com has to say about it. Essentially it seems the glass is glued to the camper's aluminum framing, and then a weather-sealing gasket wound around it (if that is even right).

I won't deny that I find this somewhat troubling, i.e. I'd feel better if there were some sort of metal clip/clasp that grips the glass and in turn is screwed-into the frame structure.

The windshield glass in a Forest River 2024 Surveyor Legend travel trailer, specifically the "automotive-style tinted front windshield" that comes standard with the Surveyor Legend Package, is affixed to the trailer’s frame using a combination of structural framing and sealing techniques typical in RV manufacturing. While exact details specific to the 2024 Surveyor Legend are not publicly documented in step-by-step form (as manufacturers like Forest River often keep precise assembly methods proprietary), I can provide a general explanation based on common practices in RV construction and the known features of this model.

The windshield is integrated into the front cap of the trailer, which is typically constructed with a laminated aluminum frame. For the Surveyor Legend, the front wall includes 1.5-inch laminated aluminum frame sidewalls and rear walls with R7 closed-cell block foam insulation, as noted in product descriptions from dealers like Couch’s RV Nation. The windshield itself is framed with aluminum around all openings (windows, doors, and appliances), providing a rigid structure for mounting. This aluminum framing is likely part of the front cap assembly, which is molded to accommodate the windshield’s shape and size.

The affixing process generally involves the following steps, adapted to the Surveyor Legend’s design:

1. **Framing and Preparation**: The windshield opening is pre-framed during the construction of the front cap, using aluminum extrusions that are part of the trailer’s structural skeleton. This ensures a precise fit and alignment with the trailer’s aerodynamic profile.

2. **Adhesive Bonding**: The windshield is secured using a high-strength, weather-resistant polyurethane adhesive or sealant, commonly used in automotive and RV applications. This adhesive bonds the glass directly to the aluminum frame, creating a watertight and durable seal. The Surveyor Legend’s emphasis on quality construction (e.g., Azdel composite panels and PVC roofing) suggests a focus on robust sealing methods to prevent leaks, a critical factor for a front windshield exposed to wind, rain, and road debris.

3. **Mechanical Fastening (if applicable)**: In some RV designs, additional mechanical fasteners like screws or clips may supplement the adhesive, hidden under trim or rubber gaskets. However, modern RV windshields, especially those labeled "automotive-style" like in the Surveyor Legend, often rely primarily on adhesive bonding for a cleaner look and better aerodynamics, with the aluminum frame providing structural support.

4. **Sealing and Trim**: After the windshield is affixed, a rubber gasket or trim piece is typically applied around the edges to enhance the seal, protect the adhesive from UV degradation, and improve aesthetics. The Surveyor Legend’s construction cutaways highlight features like sealed underbellies and radiant foil insulation, indicating a similar attention to sealing integrity around the windshield.

The "automotive-style" designation implies a design akin to car windshields, which are laminated for safety (two layers of glass with a plastic interlayer) and bonded seamlessly to the frame. This contrasts with older RV designs that might use simpler window frames or less integrated glass. The Surveyor Legend’s lightweight construction (many models are under 4,000 lbs.) and use of Azdel composite walls suggest the windshield installation prioritizes both durability and weight savings, aligning with the trailer’s towing efficiency goals.

For exact specifics—like the brand of adhesive or tolerances used—you’d need to consult Forest River’s manufacturing documentation or a dealer service manual, which isn’t publicly available. However, this general process reflects industry standards and aligns with the Surveyor Legend’s advertised build quality. If you’re looking to replace or repair one, a professional RV technician would remove the old windshield by cutting the adhesive with a specialized tool, cleaning the frame, and reapplying a compatible sealant before installing a new pane.
I know its popular these days but uhm ... Grok, wouldn't be a source I'd use.

There is no aluminum in the front cap structure on a Surveyor.

 
I know its popular these days but uhm ... Grok, wouldn't be a source I'd use.
Tell me a better one. I've been generally impressed with the speed and thoroughness of it.

Yeah that vid does not show a metal frame, which suggests where I started, that the windshield is pulled-in by screws from the inside, but still there must be a metal frame glued to the glass for the screws to penetrate.

No frame means of course that if there IS any big-time flexing of the TT's nose, either screws could become loose or the mount to the glass adhesive(s) have pulled apart.
 
Well, in this case, it was speedily and thoroughly wrong.

Anyway, I'd bet there is a 2 piece frame, that does sandwich (rather than direct bolting to) the front cap wall with screws, similar to other RV windows but I don't know how the glass is fastened to that. I'd guess a fat bead of adhesives. Anything more rigid, in a frameless design, I'd think would be pretty risky re uneven tightness of the fasteners.

But truly, I don't know. Never saw the guts of one.
 

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