New Truck, New 5er

[JM23]

So I have been contemplating what to do for the next tow vehicle and RV.
Currently we have a 2022 Silverado crew 1/2 ton standard bed with the 3.0 Duramax and max trailer tow pkg. Have had some issues with the truck and am looking to get rid of it before too long. We also have a 2022 Flagstaff Shamrock 233S which we love and have had less issues with lol.

Our plan when I purchased these items last year was to keep them for 4-5 years. Both purchased new as well. But again with all the issues with my truck it has forced me to either file for lemon or launch the truck before I have any more issues.

I have builds in for a 2024 F-350 Lariat standard bed 7.3 gas, with an arrival date of June 2024. I also have a build in for a Silverado 3500HD LTZ also standard bed. Order for this truck is going in on 10/17/23 and should be built before the F350. The thought was I have owned the 1/2 ton for 1.5 years and to get another 1/2 ton would be pointless on our plan to move up to a 5th wheel, as it would shorten the length of owning and figured might as well just get the 1 ton and maybe get 5th wheel sooner.

The second part of this equation is the 5th wheel itself. I use my truck constantly for hauling stuff in the bed and hate the idea of having a 5th wheel hitch planted in there all the time. Both the ordered trucks have the prep for 5th wheel/gooseneck. Ideally I'd like to tow the 5th wheel with a goose box conversion either Reese or Gen-y. But then again with the shorter box I may have to get the offset ball. Opposite of that if I stay 5th wheel hitch then a slider may be needed and we all know the weight of those make it impossible to remove alone unless mechanically assisted.

The RV we really like is either the 2023 Rockwood signature 8291CL or 2024 Rockwood signature 371RK. These are from what we can tell the same thing but changes made to the 2024. We talked to a rep from FR at a RV show and he said that a Gen-Y would void warranty. I also noticed that the hitch on the RV is a Curt Turning point which does move the pivot point back. I'm not sure if the Rockwood signature will clear the cab of a truck with the 6.75' box and the turning point. I have emailed FR and Lippert on what hitch I can use without voiding warranty and still waiting for a response.

So the long story short is. Which truck would you choose? And
What hitch setup should I go with? Goose box, standard hitch because it will work with shorter box and turning point or slider hitch?

Appreciate any help you can offer with this.
My wife will too, as she says this is my version of thinking about the "Roman Empire" lol.

 

[aceinspp]

Welcome to the forum. I'd suggest you introduce your self in the welcome mat sub forum and then post your questions about tv and tt in the correct sub forum.
Whwn I got my last 5er I went with the Anderson hitch as it only weights 35# and can be easly removed. works with short bed box. It should fit over your ball that will be in your option. it has an off set to move trailer further back as I did mine. Loved the ease of it. Later RJD

 

[NMWildcat]

You might want to verify what a salesman said about the Reese Goose Box voiding the warranty. Lippert Components has endorsed the Goose Box, so as long as the frame is made by Lippert, you should be good.
Just noticed he was talking about the Gen Y. Sorry about that. But you should definitely ask anyway.
As far as which truck, any of the big three will be perfect. It just depends on what you like, or who has the better deal.

 

[tomkatb]

We own the Anderson and a short wheelbase Ram diesel. Works well.

I wanted the goose box but in 2018 it was new and little information was out there.

Towing a fifth wheel,is pretty calm compared to a half ton towing a trailer.

 

[moose074]

I have a regular bed Chevy 3500 towing a Columbus 329DVC. I assume because the mounting point on the new Chevy is 4 inches behind the axle and the Columbus is short bed friendly I have plenty of room no need for slider with my BW Campanion

 

[AlaskaErik]

One of the reasons I'm partial to GM is their towing technology is first rate. I hope you made sure the one you built has the advanced trailering package and that you made sure to build it with the optional trailer TPMS sensors, which only cost $50 the last time I checked. But you'll probably have to go LTZ or High Country to get all of the technology. And the 2024 has been refreshed and now gets a much bigger infotainment screen.

 

[jjscsix]

I strongly advise against getting a gas engine in a one ton, or even a 3/4 tone for that matter. I had a friend do that and it took him forever to get rid of it. And it was not a matter of price. Nobody wanted it at any price.

 

[NMWildcat]

I strongly advise against getting a gas engine in a one ton, or even a 3/4 tone for that matter. I had a friend do that and it took him forever to get rid of it. And it was not a matter of price. Nobody wanted it at any price.

And when was that?
Today, many folks I know are buying (or looking at with intention to buy) gas HD trucks. Today's gas motors are much more comparable to diesel engines, without all the DEF and emissions concerns/problems.
Don't think a gas engine will be a resale problem, especially in my neck of the woods.

 

[5picker]

I strongly advise against getting a gas engine in a one ton, or even a 3/4 tone for that matter. I had a friend do that and it took him forever to get rid of it. And it was not a matter of price. Nobody wanted it at any price.

Your opinion maybe but in our area, 3/4 or 1 ton trucks with ANY engine are bringing premium trade in/resale value.

I too ordered a 23 F-250 that isn't going to get built so we reordered as a 24. 7.3 gas with a 6.75 bed. Factory puck.

 

[moose074]

In March I traded in my 2019 f 250 STX 6.2 gas with 80k I got $34k. I had swinging toolboxes lots of loose tools. I told them I was taking the box would return box following weekend. Salesman called Friday said don’t worry truck sold new owner didn’t want the box. I know they were asking $45k online don’t know what they got for it. Sad part is I bought the truck used more than it was new and most likely the new owner probably paid less than new MSRP but more than original owner did new.

 

[Tall frog]

We have a 2019 36ck2 Cedar creek and pull with a 2018 GMC 2500hd Denali Duramax and love the combination. We use an Anderson hitch and not had any problems with the short bed. I love the ease of removing, hitching up to the Anderson. The only thing I don't like is the base of the Anderson dose take up a lot of space when installed in the bed. I have looked at the Gen Y hitch and would probably get it now if just starting out. Some of the newer socalled light weight 5th wheel would not play nice with a gooseneck type hitch so just be well informed.
Good luck, I have over 100,000 miles on my truck and use it as a almost daily driver.

 

[jjscsix]

And when was that?
Today, many folks I know are buying (or looking at with intention to buy) gas HD trucks. Today's gas motors are much more comparable to diesel engines, without all the DEF and emissions concerns/problems.
Don't think a gas engine will be a resale problem, especially in my neck of the woods.

Your opinion maybe but in our area, 3/4 or 1 ton trucks with ANY engine are bringing premium trade in/resale value.

I too ordered a 23 F-250 that isn't going to get built so we reordered as a 24. 7.3 gas with a 6.75 bed. Factory puck.

Fair enough that is was a while back. I appreciate y’all updating to current conditions.

But I do take issue with calling the gas engines more comparable today. Torque of the gas engines is half (or less) what diesels have. That is night and day different.

 

[NMWildcat]

Fair enough that is was a while back. I appreciate y’all updating to current conditions.

But I do take issue with calling the gas engines more comparable today. Torque of the gas engines is half (or less) what diesels have. That is night and day different.

Have you driven a newer one with the new transmissions? I used a friends gasser to pull my 12k fifth wheel and was truly impressed. Never noticed a lack of torque, even on the 15 mile climb out of Benson AZ.
I was impressed enough to actual consider a gasser when replacing my diesel truck this next spring.
If I could fully delete a new diesel right away to get rid of the ridiculous and problematic emissions junk , I wouldn't consider a gasser. But the new gassers have me second guessing my diesel only stance. What a quandry!!

 

[5er_tom]

The $9-10,000 upgrade to a diesel truck would buy a lot of gas!

 

[jjscsix]

Have you driven a newer one with the new transmissions? I used a friends gasser to pull my 12k fifth wheel and was truly impressed. Never noticed a lack of torque, even on the 15 mile climb out of Benson AZ.
I was impressed enough to actual consider a gasser when replacing my diesel truck this next spring.
If I could fully delete a new diesel right away to get rid of the ridiculous and problematic emissions junk , I wouldn't consider a gasser. But the new gassers have me second guessing my diesel only stance. What a quandry!!

I have not driven one. But come on, 1000 lb ft of torque and 1200 available!

I get what you are saying, and I get the $10K difference. It would depend upon how much weight I was pulling. Heck, I just bought an Expedition to pull my trailer so who am I to talk . But I’m pulling a 6800 lb (dry) trailer. And BTW, it pulls it really well.

 

[NMWildcat]

I have not driven one. But come on, 1000 lb ft of torque and 1200 available!



I get what you are saying, and I get the $10K difference. It would depend upon how much weight I was pulling. Heck, I just bought an Expedition to pull my trailer so who am I to talk [emoji23]. But I’m pulling a 6800 lb (dry) trailer. And BTW, it pulls it really well.

Oh I hear ya, and have seen all the current stats. I am also definitely biased towards diesels, but the performance gap of yesteryear between diesels and gas is definitely smaller. I'm as surprised as anybody that I am actually considering gas.
If I was pulling a monster fifth wheel of 16k or more, the decision would be easy. But I will never have an RV over 12k, so gas would definitely work.
I say never, but who am I kidding! Liz decides our next RV

 

[jjscsix]

Oh I hear ya, and have seen all the current stats. I am also definitely biased towards diesels, but the performance gap of yesteryear between diesels and gas is definitely smaller. I'm as surprised as anybody that I am actually considering gas.
If I was pulling a monster fifth wheel of 16k or more, the decision would be easy. But I will never have an RV over 12k, so gas would definitely work.
I say never, but who am I kidding! Liz decides our next RV

 

[aircommuter]

They were close before in the nineties, I had a V10 Dodge that had good torque even at low rpm. Very close to the Diesels at that time. After 370k I sold it to my son and he put in a Diesel. I think the exhaust brake is a consideration also. The emissions problems are much less than they were. When you take the gas engine to higher altitudes power really drops off.

 

[5picker]

I have not driven one. But come on, 1000 lb ft of torque and 1200 available!



I get what you are saying, and I get the $10K difference. It would depend upon how much weight I was pulling. Heck, I just bought an Expedition to pull my trailer so who am I to talk [emoji23]. But I’m pulling a 6800 lb (dry) trailer. And BTW, it pulls it really well.

Payload is another consideration.
You take a big hit on payload with a diesel.

I use my truck as a daily driver (LOTS of miles) and it's always going to be gas.

 

[jdunkmg]

We have a Rockwood 2891BH with the turning point hitch. We have a Reese 16K hitch that weighs about 100 lbs, very easy to remove and install. We tow with a Ram 2500 Diesel Mega Cab. We we keep the turning point hitch engage and have no problem with 90 degree turns. We have over 15000 miles with this set up. The only issue we've had is the wedge comes loose. We carry a torque wrench and check it every 500 or so miles. We also used Loctite which seems to help.