Thomas payne electric recliners

[Colo]

Hello. Just purchased 2025 isata3. The showroom unit ( connected to AC) had same recliners and they demoted w/no problem. While showing my family our isata3 I needed to turn on inverter to get our recliners to work. If I'm not connected to shore power is that the only way (inverter ON) the recliners will work? Is that the best way to get power to the recliners?

 

[DocP]

They are powered by 110v, so to operate them you need either (1) shore power, (2) generator running, or (3) inverter.

 

[DBM]

In my 2019 I3, the inverter only powers just a few of the 120V outlets. I think it is just the TV outlets and the kitchen overhead. Consequently it might not power the outlet your recliners are plugged in to. My TP recliners have lights, heat, and vibration, but they are powered by 12 volts DC and not 120 AC. I installed the TP recliners in place of the U Shape dinette. As I now recall it did originally plug into 120, but that was just a 12 V transformer at the end of the cord. I removed this and tapped into a 12 V USB charging plug wire. Works like a champ. In fact, I even put a toggle switch in line so that I could completely remove power to the recliner when in storage. I use the powered recliner all the time on just 12 volt battery power. This actually works better than on inverter power as invertors are not 100% efficient. Dean

 

[Invisibleman]

Yes. You will likely get used to having your inverter on, whenever you are not on shore power, except for off season storage. Just leave it on and don't mess with it. It will function when it needs to automatically, whether you are on or off shore power. I assume you have a solar package? With that, and very occasionally (rarely needed) generator for a short perior of time, you shouldn't have any problem. The generator can be set to auto start on a battery threshold. It only takes a short time to get the batteries back up to where they need to be. I boon-docked often in my Isata-5. I could run all night (after sunset) with tv running, refer, lights, etc. I believe I set the generator auto start to batteries 11.8v. Every once in a while the generator would kick in at about 4:00 a.m. for a little while depending on whether I ran the furnace. I believe all the outlets were powered by the inverter except the washer-dryer. The AC, and microwave needed the generator. Keep an eye on your systems monitor for battery voltages and solar production. You will start getting a feel for how everything works together. And, there is always that elusive treasure trove of information. The owners manual.

 

[kenandterry]

Hello. Just purchased 2025 isata3. The showroom unit ( connected to AC) had same recliners and they demoted w/no problem. While showing my family our isata3 I needed to turn on inverter to get our recliners to work. If I'm not connected to shore power is that the only way (inverter ON) the recliners will work? Is that the best way to get power to the recliners?

If the Thomas Payne chairs are AC powered (they’re plugged into an electrical outlet) then DocP outlined how to make them work.

 

[bclemens]

They were 110V, then I noticed it was an adaptor, so we changed them to 12V so we would not need the Inveter. Problem was, the motor was actually 24V and if you operated them both at the same time, it would trip the motor and they would all stop working until you did a power cycle. So we just went back to 110V to save the hassle.

 

[Twinboat]

Sure, just leave the inverter on.

If that bothers you, buy a computer battery backup and plug the chairs into that. Then plug the backup into a wall outlet. It will charge from shore or generator power.

 

[Randall Jay]

They were 110V, then I noticed it was an adaptor, so we changed them to 12V so we would not need the Inveter. Problem was, the motor was actually 24V and if you operated them both at the same time, it would trip the motor and they would all stop working until you did a power cycle. So we just went back to 110V to save the hassle.

First off, if you have 110V AC from any power source, it is faulty and should not be used. The standard is 120V and running appliances or other delicate electronics with too little voltage should be avoided.

Regarding the Thomas Payne recliners, it is surprising that someone with electrical knowledge wasn't consulted on this. If one recliner works fine on a circuit but fails with two, its almost certainly insufficient wire gauge that produces losses (as heat) and results in voltage sag.

The easy solution is to put each recliner on a separate wire run.

The power adaptor outputs 29VDC at 2.0A which is 58W.
Running this at 12V (on a 12.8V nominal battery) would require 58W/12V = 4.8A.

This would be handled with 16AWG wire for the lengths that would be required. This would be a dollar or two worth of wire to make these recliners work without having to have the inverter running.

Its too late for this to be done better at the factory but seems to be a cheap solution to make this better. Running wires on a fully built RV is the tricky part.

 

[Aussieguy]

First off, if you have 110V AC from any power source, it is faulty and should not be used. The standard is 120V and running appliances or other delicate electronics with too little voltage should be avoided.

Regarding the Thomas Payne recliners, it is surprising that someone with electrical knowledge wasn't consulted on this. If one recliner works fine on a circuit but fails with too, its almost certainly insufficient wire gauge that produces losses (as heat) and results in voltage sag.

The easy solution is to put each recliner on a separate wire run.

The power adaptor outputs 29VDC at 2.0A which is 58W.
Running this at 12V (on a 12.8V nominal battery) would require 58W/12V = 4.8A.

This would be handled with 16AWG wire for the lengths that would be required. This would be a dollar or two worth of wire to make these recliners work without having to have the inverter running.

Its too late for this to be done better at the factory but seems to be a cheap solution to make this better. Running wires on a fully built RV is the tricky part.

110 is commonly quoted by people ... without measuring their actual voltage
yes the standard is 120v +/- 5% ................ so 110v is acceptable

108v start looking at bad pedestal power. or other problems such as a extension cord that is too small

 

[Randall Jay]

110 is commonly quoted by people ... without measuring their actual voltage
yes the standard is 120v +/- 5% ................ so 110v is acceptable

Not to be a nitpicker but 5% of 120V is 6V. So by your definition, 110V is not acceptable.

 

[bclemens]

110 is commonly quoted by people ... without measuring their actual voltage
yes the standard is 120v +/- 5% ................ so 110v is acceptable

108v start looking at bad pedestal power. or other problems such as a extension cord that is too small

Thank you. I use both terms quite often and understand that others use the term quite often. maybe its my age?

"The term 110 volts is an older designation that's still used by the general public. The US electrical grid was originally 100 volts, but was increased to 110 volts to brighten street lights. Older appliances made before the grid was upgraded to 120 volts may still be 110 volts." 120 volts was officially adopted in 1984.

But that is really not the point here. So we can nitpick (which it seems we are doing), but it does not change the situation.

PS. We do not make the recliners and it is not OUR fuse/wires tripping, it is the thermal protection on the motor itself and resets with a power cycle.

So, to keep it simple...it was AC power, but I felt like we could go DC power, that did not work as well as I would have liked so we went back to AC power. Hopefully the supplier will upgrade their components so we can use DC power again.

 

[Aussieguy]

Not to be a nitpicker but 5% of 120V is 6V. So by your definition, 110V is not acceptable.

owwwwwwww
how did that happen
I'm gettin old

110v is below the 5% somehow 108 got stuck in the old gray matter

 

[xrpb11a]

I would be happier using one recliner at a time on 12vdc, if I could also have the buttons on the side of the ring closest to the person sitting in the recliner, and have them lit up. The buttons are almost unusable when the table is installed, and the led ring around the buttons does nothing to indicate what the buttons are for.
* light up the buttons themselves
* move buttons 180 degrees on the ring so they are closest to the person sitting in the recliner.
[EDIT]
Or put the recliners on the network and let firefly and the app control them. -)