Traffic stop

Lubehead

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Traveling on I-70 in PA returning from the Cincinnati Concours d'Elegance where I showed one of my cars which was in a 24 ft enclosed trailer.


Came upon a slow moving car with a trailer in tow and checked the camera view which shows me the vehicles behind the trailer. Signaled to move to the left lane and the car immediately sped up to close the gap. That vehicle was a state trooper who stopped me and stated that I had cut him off.


Subsequent conversation ensued where he then asked what was in the trailer and where we were coming from and going to and if I was involved in any commercial activity like selling T shirts etc. He then asked if I had seen him and I pointed out that I had seen him on my camera. Conversation then changed to his observation that my license, Class D in MA, has a 26,000 lb maximum and with me towing a trailer, he stated that I did not have the appropriate license/


Told him I had investigated that when I initially purchased the coach. He stated that could not be as with the GVW of the coach being 33,000 and the trailer being 10,000, along with the fact that the Freightliner had air brakes, that it was clear to him I should have a CDL. When I told him I am not conducting commercial activity, he said it was clear that my license stated the max limit should not exceed 26,000 lbs.


This stop took about 45 minutes in all and the officer was very polite and respectful and when I had told him I had done my due diligence even providing a printout from the MA RMV stating the class D was sufficient, he then said he had to call MA. When he came back he said that MA laws make no sense and he could not find a reason to cite me. At that time,he also stated that he could have been courteous and simply let me in so he wasn't going to cite me for cutting him off.


Today I called the MA RMV and escalated my request for clarification of the need for a CDL to two supervisors. After a half an hour, I was told that MA has no requirement for a CDL when one is driving an RV over 26,000lbs and that per the FMCSA, it is stated that "some"states may not require a CDL to operate a vehicle over 26,000 lbs with a 10,000 lb trailer in tow.


So the message is: be prepared to have the scope of any stop changed to accommodate any potential citation that could possibly create revenue and justification for the stop and do your homework and due diligence beforehand so you are prepared for the inevitable search for something wrong. Be polite and courteous!
 
In PA you need a non-commercial class A or B license to drive combined over 26,000lbs. A CDL will also work of course. I have a regular class C license in PA and my GCWR is slightly over that when towing my Ram1500 but confident an officer would not make a big deal about it. Class A or B non-commercial based on weights which I do not have at this time. Not sure what license you could get in MA that would equate to this unless you just have to get a CDL.
 
While licensing requirements for non-commercial vehicles vary amongst the states (sometimes significantly), under the National Driver’s License Compact, your home state’s license is valid throughout the USA. So if your home state class C license allows you to operate a 32,000# GVRW motor home, you are legal to drive even in those states that mandate a non-commercial B license for a motor home with GVWR over 26,000#.

Commercial driver’s licenses have become consistent throughput the country over the last 30 years due to federal motor carrier regulations, making commercial driver’s license enforcement straightforward compared to non-commercial licenses.

It’s an arcane area of traffic law enforcement, with many ways for an officer to get it wrong, especially with specialized vehicles like RV’s. State troopers (highway patrol) usually have a better grasp of the subject, but often the commercial enforcement (DOT) officers are the ones really on top of driver’s license law. Not really surprised the PA trooper was befuddled when you presented your MA license.
 
I had a run in with a trooper in Ohio who invented chips for shoulders
fighting his ticket.... what makes it so hard is they won't allow zoom meeting

so far, has cost me 150 more than the issued ticket for the lawyer

they have now offered a plea ....
to change offense to a non moving violation (damaged windscreen) so it won't affect insurance
but they still want 120 for the ticket and 150 court costs

waiting to view trooper's dash and body video ... its in the mail
then will decide on whether I go up to Ohio again

They picked on the wrong guy ...



PS can't say much more as it is still an open case...
Original offence was.... not moving over for flashing lights.
 
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What part of PA were you pulled over in specifically? There are a couple of troopers that try to make an issue of it.
 
I had a run in with a trooper in Ohio who invented chips for shoulders
fighting his ticket.... what makes it so hard is they won't allow zoom meeting

so far, has cost me 150 more than the issued ticket for the lawyer

they have now offered a plea ....
to change offense to a non moving violation (damaged windscreen) so it won't affect insurance
but they still want 120 for the ticket and 150 court costs

waiting to view trooper's dash and body video ... its in the mail
then will decide on whether I go up to Ohio again

They picked on the wrong guy ...



PS can't say much more as it is still an open case...
Original offence was.... not moving over for flashing lights.

They are very big on this offense in New England.

Not sure what your situation is or the circumstances but I’ve been told by others they were told there is no defense short of having to stop on the highway.

Maine runs tv adds all the time warning you will be charged. They say not moving over is the number one cause of death for police
 
Ohio Law states you can do either of 2 things
Move over or slow down and drive carefully past the stopped vehicle...

They have already dropped the "move over " offense if I want to take it
Not sure I want to... but they won't allow zoom meeting

A LOT was wrong that day and I wasn't by me who was towing a trailer.


I will say Troopers action was quite dangerouse and he put himself TWICE in a bad situation... Hoping the video shows that! cause I will have much more clout to have it totally tossed

BTY... if you contest the ticket ... they hit you with court costs
win or loose you gonna pay!
 
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The weight and air brake thing is a very gray area here in Alaska. The law says over 26K lbs or air brakes a CDL is required, and an endorsement for the air brakes, BUT that is in the Commercial Vehicle Operation section of the Statute and not in the regular driver's license section. It's been that way since CDL's came about. The legislature in Juneau refuses to amend the Statute.
 
That is definitely not true.


You are right

Just looked it up. It was #1 but dropped to the # 2 spot in 2021 after move over laws were enacted and enforced. Second only to gun shot deaths.
But I’m sure if you look hard enough you can find any answer you want.

Point is it is a very big problem and it is strictly enforced in these parts.
 
My suggestion is if you are driving thru that area again in the future that you have a camera recording in front and behind you to capture everything and not have to depend on a Police or Public Safety person to provide that video. I record constantly (in HiDef) whenever my vehicle is on. Just my $0.02.
 
My suggestion is if you are driving thru that area again in the future that you have a camera recording in front and behind you to capture everything and not have to depend on a Police or Public Safety person to provide that video. I record constantly (in HiDef) whenever my vehicle is on. Just my $0.02.

Not my perspective I need to view...
need to know what the viewpoint of the policeman was

he has to prove I was doing something wrong
My $0.02c

BTY first traffic ticket in 26 years of driving in the USA.
got stopped once for a tail light... though
 

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