Water heater bypass

jluksch33

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Well today another Forest River issue. Dewinterized my new Forrester 2861 to find out when it came time to open the bypass at the water heater, the plastic valve sprayed water all over. In the process of replumbing with camco brass valves. The plastic valves the use obviously are not tested at the factory.
 
Moved thread from the Tech and Repair section to the Motorhome section's Forester and Sunseeker sub-forum for better help from other Forester owners and possible factory support.

What are the other Forest River issues because you haven't mentioned any others in either of your posts?
Are they Forest River issues or Forester issues because Forest River is the corporate name, not the division's name?
 
Great reminder - if your camper is going to suffer hard freezes, then blowout-only winterization is (more than likely) insufficient to adequately protect your plumbing system. Any leftover water that gets hung up can collect and cause an issue in that collection spot... like your hard plastic valves.

Just my .02. Do whatever it is that works best for YOU.
 
Great reminder - if your camper is going to suffer hard freezes, then blowout-only winterization is (more than likely) insufficient to adequately protect your plumbing system. Any leftover water that gets hung up can collect and cause an issue in that collection spot... like your hard plastic valves.

Just my .02. Do whatever it is that works best for YOU.
Which presumably @RhumbleFish means you recommend antifreeze.

Just got our TT from the dealer and crawling thru the plumbing observe that they de-winterized for me, and further that they used the RV pink stuff to have winterized it (and it's fine as I have now tested everything).

Very nice of my Surveyor Legend model 19RBLE to have an inlet hose for the purpose of placing into a bottle of antifreeze and distributing it throughout the system, which BTW does not have a WH bypass setup at all.

I forgot the punchline. It gets REALLY COLD up here so I trust that dealers have figured this out, especially as they take money from their regular clients to winterize and store their RVs outside unprotected from possible -25F temperatures.
 
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Which presumably @RhumbleFish means you recommend antifreeze.
Yep. Even due south of you, we still get our fair share of hard freezes. And with the trailer at a distance (sleeping in its covered storage for the winter), I'd rather be SURE about protecting my plumbing with antifreeze. I was a Twin Cities dweller for a number of years, and plenty of Wisconsin and Michigan winters - no reason not to take full advantage.

But that's what works for me. Folks down in Florida or Texas - even though they might see a serious cold snap every once and again (remember TX Snowpocalypse?) - might think differently. It's whatever works FOR YOU (and I guess that means what physically works for the trailer, as well as in your own head/preferences).

Just got our TT from the dealer and crawling thru the plumbing observe that they de-winterized for me, and further that they used the RV pink stuff to have winterized it (and it's fine as I have now tested everything).
YAY. I like to do it myself, just to amke sure I get it all and do it right (or, at least, the twisted way that's right for my brain). No one's going to care about this thing as much as I do, and no one else has as much riding on it being done right as aI do. Besides, it's fun to mess with the trailer.

Very nice of my Surveyor Legend model 19RBLE to have an inlet hose for the purpose of placing into a bottle of antifreeze and distributing it throughout the system, which BTW does not have a WH bypass setup at all.
Nice for the antifreeze inlet - that's a nice little upgrade. But no WH bypass? That seems criminal!

I forgot the punchline. It gets REALLY COLD up here so I trust that dealers have figured this out, especially as they take money from their regular clients to winterize and store their RVs outside unprotected from possible -25F temperatures.
Yessir. You'd think that they would have it down to a science. But you know, if they're doing yours right as the lunch whistle blows, who's to say that someone's not enjoying a Cannibal sandwich (or looking foward to a nice brandy old fashioned after work).

Enjoy, Tom. I'm glad you're here.
 
Very nice of my Surveyor Legend model 19RBLE to have an inlet hose for the purpose of placing into a bottle of antifreeze and distributing it throughout the system, which BTW does not have a WH bypass setup at all.
Nice for the antifreeze inlet - that's a nice little upgrade. But no WH bypass? That seems criminal!
On demand water heater?
 
if your camper is going to suffer hard freezes, then blowout-only winterization is (more than likely) insufficient to adequately protect your plumbing system.
Completely disagree, that's way off base! If you're in a hurry or don't have adequate equipment/process, sure, use the pink stuff! Blowout has always worked for pools, sprinkler systems and at least for me, travel trailers.
 
Completely disagree, that's way off base! If you're in a hurry or don't have adequate equipment/process, sure, use the pink stuff! Blowout has always worked for pools, sprinkler systems and at least for me, travel trailers.

He did say do what works for you.

However in the many years I've been posting here there are always a handful of people that come around in the spring time with some sort of issue and it's because they only used air. I don't remember ever reading about anyone having an issue that used blowout AND the pink stuff.

Just sayin...
 
He did say do what works for you.

So he did.
However in the many years I've been posting here there are always a handful of people that come around in the spring time with some sort of issue and it's because they only used air. I don't remember ever reading about anyone having an issue that used blowout AND the pink stuff.

Just sayin...
Ya, and that's how the misinformation rumor mill starts.
 
On demand water heater?
Good point, I'm not familiar with them (and - shame - committed the cardinal sin of forgetting about the fact that there are other systems out there than just mine). Looks like they DO want some antifreeze in them, and that they don't give up all their water (even with a blowout). So, another point for the Pink Stuff Crewe!

Completely disagree, that's way off base! If you're in a hurry or don't have adequate equipment/process, sure, use the pink stuff!
LOL, Feeling frisky, Des? I'm not going to argue the merits of how cold the winters are in Ohio vs elsewhere, I know that they can get pretty darned cold – and you've more than likely seen your fair share of really. cold. weather. But the fact of the matter is that not all systems work the same. A blowout that works completely for one system might inherently leave some water in another. Still, seems like you ate your Wheaties today...

Blowout has always worked for pools, sprinkler systems and at least for me, travel trailers.
I'm glad to hear that you've not had any problems with blowouts, though I'd suggest that "pools and sprinkler systems" are inherently different than RV's and travel trailers. Ground isn't as cold as air, and - thanks to gravity - water sinks... away from plastic valving and parts.

So, RV's.. Here's a simple RV water system below, and even it doesn't count all the termination points or hard plastic fittings. No matter HOW much you blow on that thing, you're simply not going to get ALL the water out of the lines. Pex and flex are not much to worry about, thank goodness. It's the hard places, including the valves, corners and elbows, and the pex-to-flex connections where the water has a habit of gettin' hung up, collecting, and potentially causing problems if it freezes. Like the toilet valve - which we've got plenty of reports of people breaking. Or the water pump.... Or all the god forsaken Pex-to-Pex connectors that FR used in place of the more proper Pex-to-Flex connectors (****, they already leak when the weather gets COLD, let along break in a freeze).

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All I'm saying is do what works for you. Your trailer, your weather, your location, your usage, the quality and characteristics of your water, and YOUR PEACE OF MIND. Thank GOODNESS you're here to tell everyone that a proper blowout with proper equipment and proper technique works for you! Seriously, good to know, You're saving some money and not contributing to excess antifreeze consumption or release into the wild. Likewise, you've got a lot less to do come the Spring. Yes, the benefits of a blowout.

Except that not everyone has the same experience (let alone equipment, time, knowledge, or setup). *shrug* ...and that's sort of the point. This isn't a Ford Vs Chevy comparison. There's real variables at work here for everyone, and it doesn't come down to ALL one way or ALL another.

Despite having a compressor and a nice valved connector, I don't have the flexibility and trust or immediate access to my particular trailer to do a blowout and leave it for the winter. It's a 45 min trip to the storage (one way) for me, so I have to side with an abundance of caution... Likewise, a blowout towards the tail end of the season gives me a little "just in case" protection, AND makes it easier to get the trailer out of storage if we've got an unexpected nice weather weekend.

When the hard freezes come a'callin, however, I know I need to let the trailer sleep for the rest of the winter, I hit it with the pink stuff and sleep soundly... Yes, it means I've got to deal with Antifreeze. And that – come the spring – I've got a little more work to do to get my system up and running properly. It's a tradeoff that works for me.

Just a reminder, I hedged my bet with "more than likely" and then doubled down with:
Just my .02. Do whatever it is that works best for YOU.

Sure seems like this is still good advice. What works for you, works for you. What works for me, seems to work for me. Keep on doing what you're doing!

Just my .02. I could be (and as Des seems to indicate, likely am) wrong.
 
Completely disagree, that's way off base! If you're in a hurry or don't have adequate equipment/process, sure, use the pink stuff! Blowout has always worked for pools, sprinkler systems and at least for me, travel trailers.
I can't tell if you're bragging or complaining.

;)

That "blowout" always works for you is ample evidence that you are smarter than the average bear. As RhumbleFish has pointed-out, there is way more to the typical RV piping than meets the untrained eye. Or heck, even the smarter among us (like me, who lived in Texas with a swimming pool and a 60,000gal rainwater collection system with PVC pipe everywhere that did NOT like temps in the teens for days on end).

If you know where every pipe-andfixture is I expect one can finger-out where to blow and what-to-open-when and how long to apply what kind of air pressure and when you're sure you're done and no more water is hiding anywhere.

I could probs be successful doing that but at my advanced age it's easier to suck antifreeze in till erethin runs pink and then top it off with pink into the p-traps. Easy-peasy.
 
...I was a Twin Cities dweller...

...who's to say that someone's not enjoying a Cannibal sandwich (or looking foward to a nice brandy old fashioned after work).

Enjoy, Tom. I'm glad you're here.
Haha me too. Lived there for 20+ years and very glad to be Ex-

We drink Manhattans instead of Old Fashioneds but will have Cannibal sandwiches not only on New Year's Eve but also any time we feel like raw ground beef on rye with onion and horseradish. Some think we live dangerously but we've even had it a second or third day and never felt anything but bliss.

>it's fun to mess with the trailer.

Yeah like having (in our case) a third home to have fun with. Nothing's designed right, so everything has to be upgraded, and even thems that IS right needs to be maintained constantly. What a fun toy.
 
The only thing that's "way off base" is the thinking that blowing out only is good enough for everyone, to never have an issue.

No rumor mill here either because as was mentioned, those that come here (and other R/V forums) complaining about something that froze and broke, also said they only blew out the plumbing.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything other than what they choose to do. For me, I'm adding antifreeze and not risking the possibility there is some water left behind in a low elbow, a trickle from a toilet bowl that migrated to a toilet valve or a droplet that ran back down one of those high curved kitchen sink faucets.

That's my 2 cents and it cost you nothing.
 
I have found that life is a lot simpler if I just disregard everything I see on the Interwebz. And simpler still if I stay off’n it altogether. 👍🏻
 

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