We need to get out of our RV Loan - any ideas?

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DRussell54

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Hello all! We have a 2020 Cherokee Arctic Wolf 285DRL4 that we bought used in December 2021. It was and still is in immaculate shape. We store it inside in the winter and have kept it in tip-top shape. The only issue we've had is with the tires, we had to put new tires on it this summer, but from everything we've read this isn't unusual. As most do, we financed this and when we did my husband's job was great, I too work full time. But the past 10 months my husband's work has slowed way down to where he's averaged about 25 hours a week. Long story short we've pretty much gone through our savings as to not get behind on our mortgage, car, and RV payments, but something has to go and I won't give up my house for an RV. We can't sell it as we don't have title to it. Obviously we can't pay off the loan. We've gone back to the dealer we bought it from to see if they would buy it back and they said the market is too soft so they offered a real low ball price. So we just don't know what to do at this point.

Please don't say live within your means, we are doing just that. We are both 64 and don't live extravagantly, never have. But when the main source of income gets cut in half for 10 months of the year and you go through your reserve to make sure you don't get behind, tough choices have to be made.

Any good ideas? Please be kind

Thank you in advance
 
We can't sell it as we don't have title to it. Obviously we can't pay off the loan........

But when the main source of income gets cut in half for 10 months of the year and you go through your reserve to make sure you don't get behind, tough choices have to be made.

Any good ideas?

Being upside down in a loan (owing more than it's worth) is a bad situation without usually a good solution, less defaulting on the loan and having it repossessed which is a hit to your credit and you can still be on the hook for any unpaid balance.

Your other choice is sell it at a loss, but unless you can come up with the balance difference, you cannot get title to it to be able to sell it as you stated.

Have you possibly contacted your RV lender and explained the situation? Sometimes a creditor will be willing/able to work with you somewhat.

Any friends/family that might could help/loan you money with better terms to get out from under it?

I hate that this situation is your first post as a member of our community.
 
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You can sell the trailer private party without a title in hand. When I bought my first trailer the person I bought it from had me make out a money order to his lender and sent that with a notarized note to send the title to me in my name since I aid off the loan. I trusted him and drove away with his trailer until I got the title 5 or so days later.

if you owe more than you can sell for I guess the same thing can work, you'll need to send the full amount to the loan company and have the title sent to the new buyer.

Jim M.
 
Thanks for the kind reply! We really don't have friends/family that have spare resources at this time. It doesn't help that we are going into winter, not ideal for selling RVs. The next call will be to the lender to see what options there are. We know walking away will give our credit a hit, there's just a lot to consider. But I'm sure we aren't the only ones to be in a situation like this and most likely won't be the last.
 
But I'm sure we aren't the only ones to be in a situation like this and most likely won't be the last.

Ohh, believe me, you are hardly the only ones. I watch a lot of stuff on defaulting auto loans, and it's only getting worse.

https://moneywise.com/loans/auto-loans/car-repos-up-23-percent-in-2024

I don't have an idea on the default rate on RV loans, but would expect it to be higher than normal too.

I watch this used car dealer on youtube and he has been talking about the amount of bank repo's he is seeing in the auctions.
 
Welcome to the forum, I see it is your 1st couple posts.

Before we can give much advice on selling it, what is the loan to market value difference?
Meaning what is the loan payoff -vs- what you could possibly fair market sell it for?
RV Trader (online) is a good indication of what your make/model/year is currently selling for. And yes, this is the worst time to sell and get a good price.

We could give you advice for selling but if you are thousands of dollars upside-down in the loan, most of that advice won't help.
 
Well we owe about $40K on it. We've only had it 2 years. The dealer we bought it from said they could only give us $20K for it because the market is too soft right now. I've looked at similar year/models and I've seen a range of prices for units. The biggest hitch is that we don't have the title and we don't have the means to cover any gap in sales price vs loan balance. It's a unfortunate situation, something we did not see coming. We did not anticipate my husband's company losing some of their contracts which caused a slowdown in work. That was something completely out of our control. We had to use our savings so that we didn't get behind on things. But it's come to the point where we have to make decisions and I will not give up my house for and RV. That may sound selfish, but my home is my stability, it's where my grandsons come, where our kids come home to. It's more important than an RV.
 
You can sell the trailer private party without a title in hand. When I bought my first trailer the person I bought it from had me make out a money order to his lender and sent that with a notarized note to send the title to me in my name since I aid off the loan. I trusted him and drove away with his trailer until I got the title 5 or so days later.

if you owe more than you can sell for I guess the same thing can work, you'll need to send the full amount to the loan company and have the title sent to the new buyer.

Jim M.

Ditto on all of this. My wife has done credit counseling for much of her career, and she consults for a credit union association.

If you are upside down on the loan (owe more than the "blue book" value), you must come up with the difference between the selling price and the balance owed in order for the lender to release the title to the new purchaser.

Attempting to default on the loan will still leave you owing the difference between (very likely) the lowest possible blue book value and your outstanding balance on the loan. And the lender will very likely pile on all kinds of late fees and so on. It's also likely that if you attempt to finance the remaining balance, the interest rates will be usurous. I'll point out that, depending on the lender, RV loans aren't usually handled by "A-list" lenders. If you didn't borrow from your credit union, don't expect a lot of support from your lender.

Since sales are soft and it's the wrong time of year to be selling, my instinct is to do the following:
  • Hold it until spring...make those payments.
  • In early spring put it up for private sale.
  • In the meantime, create a savings account to pay the estimated difference between the final sale price and what you owe - remaining loan principal.
  • Sell your car...unless you are upside down on that loan, too. If you have a lease, you probably have no "equity" in the car, and then the determination is whether or not you can escape the lease...very unlikely.
  • Finding the money to do this may involve raiding a retirement fund...or borrowing from one. Borrowing from a 401-K is cheaper than withdrawing from it, because a withdrawal from a pre-tax retirement fund involves a 10% penalty for early withdrawal, PLUS paying taxes on the withdrawal amount, plus jacking your tax bracket for overall taxes owed for the tax year when you take the disbursement. Borrowing from a retirement fund entails none of that, but you MUST substantially overestimate the amount of principal to borrow, or you'll come up short on cash flow and be in a much more difficult jam. It can be difficult to go back to that well a second time.
  • Lastly, the housing market is strong. Your most fungible asset is your house...assuming you have equity. Sell your home and downsize. Use the capital from the home to sustain your cashflow until you can dump the RV. Don't expect a miracle in terms of the equity you'll retain, because the costs of selling and buying take a big bite out of that, and you MIGHT also face some tax implications. But your home is your one liquid, appreciated asset. That would be your ace in the hole.

If your financial planner didn't clearly outline a plan of action for you, the planner didn't do their job. A credit counselor or certified financial planner should lay out a roadmap for you to follow that leaves you whole and your credit rating intact. If the original planner did that, and if you can't (or don't want to) follow that plan, your situation is grave. But there's no magic bullet to fix this. And Bankruptcy has gotten substantially more difficult. If you do explore bankruptcy, assuming you have some real equity in your home, you might be able to save it. But bankruptcy is very painful...and all the more so in recent years since bankers got the regulations severely tightened in their favor.

Repeating...loans from your retirement funds and selling your home and downsizing might be your best options. And, at the risk of being glib, you have covered parking for your rig. I presume that's at home. If so, that's a white elephant that suggests downsizing may be in order.

I wish you well, and I'm sorry you are in a tight spot. My wife counseled MANY families who worked in aerospace and other very high-paying industries who were leveraged to the hilt when their employers cut back. It always took these people a long time to wrap their heads around just how "hand-to-mouth" they were actually living. Best of luck.
 
I appreciate the advice, but here's the facts:

We are upside down, no question about it. We can't sell our vehicle, I still work and need transportation, my husband who just retired so that we can have a steady income from him, also has a part time job so he needs transportation. No we can't carpool. Different hours, different areas of town. No we don't store our camper at our house. We rented a storage unit, which we have since cancelled as it is an extra expense. Our house is not a huge house, it is comfortable. That is definately not an option. I don't have a retirement fund to borrow from. When the company I worked for for many years went under so did our retirement. We all lost it. My husband has checked into taking a loan against his but that would mean he would not get his monthly pension. Not feasible. Like I said, we did everything we could to not lose things, but something has to go, this is where we are. It's not pretty and we aren't jumping for joy to be in this spot. And yes we have consulted our financial person and several of the things you listed he also has listed. We don't have family that has funds to spare at this time, nor do most of our friends. 20K is a lot to ask to borrow from friends.
 
Well we owe about $40K on it. We've only had it 2 years. The dealer we bought it from said they could only give us $20K for it because the market is too soft right now. I've looked at similar year/models and I've seen a range of prices for units. The biggest hitch is that we don't have the title and we don't have the means to cover any gap in sales price vs loan balance. It's a unfortunate situation, something we did not see coming. We did not anticipate my husband's company losing some of their contracts which caused a slowdown in work. That was something completely out of our control. We had to use our savings so that we didn't get behind on things. But it's come to the point where we have to make decisions and I will not give up my house for and RV. That may sound selfish, but my home is my stability, it's where my grandsons come, where our kids come home to. It's more important than an RV.

That is an unfortunate situation, I am sorry.
As Jim mentioned, there is no magic bullet. You either cover the difference or you take a bad hit by letting the loan go back.

Do you have anything else you could sell to cover the difference?
You've hinted this may not be the only payment (mortgage, car, R/V) that you are coming up short on and have been using your savings for. Will getting out of the R/V loan solve your monthly woes? If not, you need to do more than just sell the R/V.
 
I'm no expert but when folks call into Dave Ramsey he always asks who the loan is through. When its a credit union he says to go in and talk to them and tell them they have an unsecure loan since you owe more on the camper than it is worth and see if they will give you a personal loan for the difference so you can sell it.

Just a thought.
 
One possibility I have not seen mentioned is to refinance your home if you have the equity. You may also be able to keep your payments the same or lower be increasing the term, then pay extra when things stabilize.
 
I think maybe I didn't explain it exactly right - since my husband's hours got shortened back in january, we did use our savings to make up the difference so that we did not come up short on anything. After examining our budget and sitting with our financial person, we know that with his pension and my income we can make our mortgage, vehicle, utilities, groceries, gasoline and save a little (not thousands of dollars) each month. But, the RV is a luxury and it has to go, unfortunately. We don't have fancy cars, we drive 2016 vehicles. They aren't new and they aren't going to be upgraded anytime soon. Again, we didn't plan this, we did what we had to do so that nothing got past due, we were being responsible. But the fact of the matter is that something has to go and it's not a necessity that we have an RV. The unfortunate part is that no one anticipates being in this position. But here we are, don't need lectures, was hoping to get some advice, maybe other ideas.
 
One other option is a reverse mortage on your home. Age wise, you qulify.

This will eliminate your mortage payment and allow you to pull equity out of your home. Use that to pay off credit card debt first and then the RV loan. It is a win win situation and a source of money you've not considered.

I speak from experience as we took a reverse mortage some 10 years ago.

Bob
 
Do not take a reverse mortgage.... always a bad idea in the long run and you are still paying a mortgage on your house as it is.


First you said that your husband's company has reduced his hours...
Get a part time job.


next you said that your husband is retired?


If you owe 40,000 dollars on the principle and you have been paying on this for almost three years..... that is a long way to go to pay this thing off (which is throwing good money after bad if you try to do that)

Unload the RV now as it really looks as if you could never fully (cost wise) use it or afford it. RVs, with out payments, are a money pit. this is a hole that you can not dig yourself out of with out really hurting something else. The economy as a whole is on unstable footing and all prices will increase with the weakness of the dollar.



This is a 'pleasure' item, it is not a 'need' but a 'want'. Turn the keys over to the lender, take the credit rating hit, and walk away and do not look back. The 'bank loan' is against the RV as collateral, the 'bank' can have the RV, as is. And make sure that you owe NOTHING on this loan, even if the RV has depreciated in value.



If, down the road, you want to get back into camping and not Glamping, there are many very cheaper ways to do it.


I am a business/marketing major and you do not want to put any of your other assets in jeopardy.
 
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So sorry that you're in this position.

You say that your husband retired. Is he collecting social security? We ended up collecting Social Security when we reached retirement age and work prospects were non existent.

Since you're 64, you might want to check with Social Security to see if you can collect benefits while you're still working. There is a reduction in the amount of SS you can collect depending on wages, but the formula is confusing and a SS representative can help. The easiest way to contact them is by phone.

Your other option is to call the bank/finance company and see what your options are. If they repossess it or you surrender it, there might be taxes owed on the unpaid balance forgiven.

Again... this has been said several times.... you DO NOT need the title to sell the trailer. Call your bank for instructions on how to sell without the title.
It might be more financially feasible for you to ask relatives for a small loan to pay the monthly payments on the tt.
 
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You should utilize the services of a certified financial advisor. Your bank may be able to assist you finding one in this regard.

As to a reverse mortage, unless one fully understands how they work, then one is not in a position to give any advice.

As to RV's, boats, airplanes and etc., all are a depreciating value items. All are a financial hole, even if you own it outright, regardless of it being and RV, boat, or airplane. I've owned all three.

As to selling the RV, you do not need the loan paid off. That is always part of the transaction in that the RV has a lien attacched that must be satisfied before the title is transferred. The buyer can pay off the loan balance direct to the lender and any excess funds will be paid to you. If there is a shortfall, then you will be obligated to pay that, usually by a private personal loan. (Been there, done that, too.)

Bob
 
I really feel the pain, all of my life it seems that at some time i was in that very hole. Had to sell something and mostly at a loss. Currently my son is in that same boat, 60K on a loan and worth 40k maybe. The problem is the interest rate they charge, which is really too much and creates the problem. As Brother Les said, dump it, or they can reduce the interest to 0% to help. When had to refinance mine, It took me a year to get my title and then did it thru my CU.
 
It's already been mentioned but in my opinion bears repeating.


Depending on your husband's skillset and experience, it's quite likely that there is an employer out there that would be overjoyed with employing an accountable mature team player that brings value younger associates can't touch.


If his health is good, I would strongly pursue that approach.



Make a few calls to competitors or vendors, you may be surprised.
 
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Sorry that you came into this situation unexpectedly.

It has been mentioned about getting a reverse mortgage which I too would agree on NOT doing. Don't know if you have looked at an HELOC or not. I googled "can you get a home equity loan when you still have a mortgage" and the top listing was from CBS News - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-quickly-can-you-get-a-home-equity-loan-after-buying-your-home/. Didn't actually read the article but think it might be a way to get out temporarily of your situation. There were a number of other articles and I would recommend you do diligence in your investigations. You don't want to be in a deeper hole than you currently are.

I personally have an active HELOC that has a zero (0) balance. If needed I can borrow up to $55,000 to cover any expense. One thing the bank recommended that I don't write a check from this account to buy something. They recommended to transfer the money needed into my checking account because it you write a check from the HELOC and something goes wrong you can't get the money back like you would from a normal checking account.

I'm not recommending that this is what you should do as only you can decide what is best for you. But I think it is an option that you might want to look at. IMHO this is especially a better option than a reverse mortgage.

Good luck and hope you can resolve your situation without a lot of heartbreak.

Take care and be safe - :campfire:
 
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