WOW! $569 Toll for 45 Miles in I-66 in Virginia

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From the Washington Post:

A Virginia toll road saved an RV-driving dad 20 minutes — and cost $569

When John Landry’s family went camping near Luray Caverns the first weekend of October, they split into two groups — he and five kids piled into their recreational vehicle, and his wife and their youngest took their minivan.

Worried about traffic on the 85 miles from their home in Falls Church, Virginia, they decided to take the tolled express lanes on Interstate 66 outside the Beltway, both groups heading out during Thursday rush hour and back Sunday afternoon. He estimates the round-trip drive on those lanes — totaling 45 miles — saved about 20 minutes altogether.

Based on other toll roads, he figured there would be a surcharge for the larger vehicle — maybe $20 or $30 each way — but that it would be worth it. A small luxury.

Then about a week later, he started seeing the credit card charges for his E-ZPass: $105 to refill his account, then three hours later, $105 more.

“I said, ‘What the heck is going on?’” That’s when he logged onto the toll device website and learned, to his shock, he had paid $569.50 in tolls.

“It’s much more than we paid for the camping and everything else that we did that weekend,” Landry said. He’s not disputing that the charge is valid or that it should cost more to ride on toll lanes with a bigger vehicle. But, he added, “there’s really no reasonable way to know” that it would be so much: “It just feels like price gouging.”

Nancy Smith, a spokeswoman for the consortium that operates the tolls — I-66 Express Mobility Partners — said Landry’s case seemed to be “an instance of an oversize vehicle using the 66 Express … and being charged the correct toll.” His three-axle 1997 Holiday Rambler Vacationer wouldn’t even be allowed on other express lanes in the state, she noted.

“Larger vehicles must pay a higher toll rate than passenger vehicles” because they take up more room and cause more wear and tear on the road, Smith said.

The lanes, which debuted in 2022, are part of an expanding network of publicly owned and privately operated toll lanes in Northern Virginia. The state touts these expressways as a way to finance road expansion and repair alongside public transit and bike trail infrastructure.

Dynamic pricing for those express lanes, which changes based on congestion and demand, puts the cost on drivers who can afford it. Exemptions for cars with three or more people inside encourages carpooling.

But the lack of a maximum cost on tolls both inside and outside the Beltway can lead to eye-popping sums.

State Sen. Danica A. Roem (D-Prince William), who fought the privatized toll lanes, argues the consortium needs to be more transparent about pricing. Signs give the tolls for one segment of the highway, not the whole length, and only for the smallest vehicles. They do say larger vehicles pay more, but not how much more.

“I get constant complaints about the I-66 express lanes [because] people driving have no idea from the point of entry how much it’s going to cost,” Roem said. “If we cannot fix this administratively in the next year, we are going to have to fix it legislatively.”

The toll consortium’s website explains that vehicles like Landry’s trigger tolls five to seven times the posted fare depending on the time of day. He paid about 6½ times what his wife did.

The express lane signage indicating the toll rate has a digital dollar amount that changes based on congestion and underneath that says, “HIGHER TOLLS FOR LARGER VEHICLES.”

In a statement, the Virginia Department of Transportation said there are “limitations by the Federal Highway Administration on the level of detail that can be included on roadway signs.” It added that tolling by segment rather than giving one price for the length of the highway allows for more accurate shifting of prices, based on traffic volume and congestion in each segment of the corridor.

The private consortium that operates the tolls invested $3.7 billion in the express lane corridor, including construction, maintenance and development of other roads, transit and bike infrastructure in the region.

“This would have been an unfeasible amount for the state to fund by itself,” said Jason Stanford, president of the Northern Virginia Transportation Alliance, which represents business interests that include toll road operators. He said about 10 percent of traffic on I-66 express lanes outside the Beltway are larger commercial vehicles — indicating the cost is worth it for many users.

Landry acknowledges that “the price that they charged me is probably accurate.” He thinks there should be a discount, with a warning, for first-time users in that toll class.

He appealed to the toll operators for a refund, unsuccessfully. So he offers his story as a cautionary tale.

“This is the first time that I’ve been on that toll road,” he said. “570 bucks — it stings.”

A Virginia Toll Road Saved an RVing Dad 20 Minutes and Cost $560
 
I've lived in Northern VA for 25 years and refuse to use any express toll lanes. I will admit that since I've retired I rarely am in a hurry to go anywhere. I just crank up the music and enjoy my time on the road. YMMV. Happy travels!
 
All I can say is wow.

I'm fortunate I have not been on a toll road in over 20 years.

:signhavefun:
 
Heck of a story. I have never used toll roads in the last 25 years glade I don't live in that part of the country. Later RJD
 
Tolls are predominately displayed BEFORE entry the express lanes. They're punitive to the point we do not want whatever vehicle or rig this was in the express lanes. Reading and decision making seen to be lacking in that example.

We have a privately owned expressway here in RVA that runs between I95 and I295. $4.85 (2 axles) $7.15 (4 axles). It's the most convenient way to the airport for those south of Richmond. Each way. All eight (8) miles of it. Dropping someone off at the airport costs me nearly 10 bucks. And another $10 when I get that "Dad I can't carry my ski poles on the plane. Can you come back and pick them up?" phone call.

It's about convenience. Around DC I'll spend the money and use the expre$$ lanes! And always use 895 to the airport.

-- Chuck
 
Having lived a large part of my life in SW PA, toll roads are a common way to travel.
We have NO really good East-West passage in the state unless you go hours south to I-68 or north to I-80. That leaves the PA turnpike for us.

Tolls have always been high and are now outrageous but is really our only means of travel across the southern part of the state. It is bumper to bumper trucks and large vehicles. EZ-Pass has helped but it's still a hit to the wallet but compared to the alternative routes and well worth it when travelling with a large R/V in the mountainous parts of the state.
 
Granted I am not specifically familiar with this example, but there was a movement in Maine to build "privatized" Interstate roads here, namely an East-West corridor through the northerly segment of the State.

Thank god the idea was shot down. IMO, public infostructure should be only in the control of a political entity directly or indirectly appointed by duly elected officials. The OP story is nothing more than a nightmare. Sure, the OP could pay it in the end, but what about the working class guy who buys a used camper and can only afford occasional Summer outings? Getting caught in one of these "traps" could be devastating.
 
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This is a scary story, as Phil called it, a nightmare. Last month we made a trip from central NY to Mason Neck VA. We traveled on 495 near the end of the trip and we really weren't sure if we could be in the Express lane with our truck/TT rig. On the way down I avoided it, but on the way home I said "damn the torpedos, full speed ahead" and took the Express lane. Before making the jump I saw other trucks and trailers in that lane so I felt somewhat confident that it was OK, but not really sure. Does someone here know the official ruling on this?
 
DC area express lane toll rates vary throughout the day. Rush hours = higher tolls. Also the express lanes have moveable entry barriers so the the same pavement can be used in both directions just not at the same time. Big barriers zip the entries open and closed at the right times. Cruising at speed in the express lanes noting the traffic at a dead stop in the lanes for the common people projects a feeling of superiority -- just gotta pay for it. :) But there's no excuse not knowing the tolls before entering here, they're on lighted signs. No math involved. Tolls to specific exits are on the signs.

-- Chuck
 
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Having lived a large part of my life in SW PA, toll roads are a common way to travel.
We have NO really good East-West passage in the state unless you go hours south to I-68 or north to I-80. That leaves the PA turnpike for us.

Tolls have always been high and are now outrageous but is really our only means of travel across the southern part of the state. It is bumper to bumper trucks and large vehicles. EZ-Pass has helped but it's still a hit to the wallet but compared to the alternative routes and well worth it when travelling with a large R/V in the mountainous parts of the state.


Time to move. :roflblack::roflblack:Later RJD
 
Scary story? Gimme a break. Not paying attention? Yep. Poor decision making? Yep. The tolls are posted everywhere entry/exit from the express lanes is possible. You can always get back on to the toll free lanes.

I'd be embarrassed to post such an experience. Not to say I'm exempt from such a mistake I just don't want anyone to know about it. :)

We have an expression in the South: "Bless his heart."

-- Chuck
 
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Scary story? Gimme a break. Not paying attention? Yep. Poor decision making? Yep. The tolls are posted everywhere entry/exit from the express lanes is possible. You can always get back on to the toll free lanes.

I'd be embarrassed to post such an experience. Not to say I'm exempt from such a mistake I just don't want anyone to know about it. :)

We have an expression in the South: "Bless his heart."

-- Chuck


Chuck, that is easy for you (since you are familiar with those roads) or a person in a car, but what about the poor sap from away pulling an RV through heavy traffic after 6 hours of semi-stressful towing in heavy traffic at relatively fast speeds? There is no way most part-time RVers can safety handle those conditions and make informed, safe judgements.

This is why one of the most common questions on this board is the best route to take to get around NYC-DC alive and not to need therapy afterword. That area is a freaking Mess.
 
Colorado is a tax-averse state, and the toll-road tactic for circumventing TABOR (Taxpayer Bill of Rights) is rampant here. A section of Denver's "beltway", E-470, is 47 miles long and costs more to drive in a sedan than the entire length of the NYS Thruway from NYC to Buffalo. Whatever you do, never get on there with an RV. I once went two exits towing a single-axle pop-up with a pickup, and it cost over $20. And that was not on a toll express lane.

Other forms of alternative revenue generation include staggering vehicle registration fees. My 2020 rig still costs close to $400/year for tags. Registering my $25K RV in CO initially cost over $600/year for tags...not to mention sales tax. I just bought my stepson's 2004 Honda Pilot off him so he could move to Portland, OR...with no car...and the tags cost well over $200. Tax evasion schemes are operated in nearby Wyoming to avoid much of this...and divert the revenue to Wyoming.

Douglas Bruce, the author of TABOR, was a CA refugee, and he was later convicted of Tax Evasion.

My personal opinion, coming from tax-heavy NY, is that it takes a certain amount of money to run a government. And if they can't get it with progressive income taxes, they'll get it with regressive taxes such as highway tolls, vehicle registration fees, sales taxes and so on. $600 to use an express lane is insane, but, one way or the other, you will pay for what you get in terms of highway infrastructure and so on. And the more privatized it is, the more like the TX electrical grid it becomes. Express-toll lanes are proliferating in CO at a startling rate. We now have a deeply segregated transportation system favoring the wealthy...despite the fact that we all paid to build it.
 
Shameful

Yeaaaah, no. This is just shameful. 99 &44/100% of the time "PRIVATIZATION" is nothing more than a money grab.
 
I had a professor in college who was one of the original design engineers for the original sections of the Interstate System. Originally they were designed as defense roads for interstate travel in cases of national emergency.

Then the politicians and developers stepped in and turned the system into a get rich scheme to make outlying land easily accessibly to city centers. This lead to design changes that led to many unsafe exits and entrances.

Now we have the mess described by Chuck and the OP. And then there is the privatization movement which will probably gain strength over the next 4 years. :campfire:
 
1. Privatization usually ensues more efficient operation.

2. Back to the beltway toll whining. Ya don't need to be especially familiar with the road if you can read. That's all that needed to be done here. Tolls were posted, you read them, and decided to take the toll road. Geeze! Toll is $56.85 to the next exit?! $569.50 for the whole distance?! Yikes! Maybe the express lanes aren't a good idea? Maybe I should make a better personal financial decision, have exited at the next exit, or just keep my mistakes (plural!) to myself? Ummmm, why are all those big RVs and semi trailers over there in the regular lanes, and none here in the express lanes?

BTW, I have no magic familiarization with the DC area and avoid it whenever possible for any reason.

-- Chuck
 
Can we talk about Breezewood now? The junction of two major interstates is practically in the drive thru at MacDonald's -- by design. (PA Turnpike AKA I76 and I70.

-- Chuck
 
1. Privatization usually ensues more efficient operation.

2. Back to the beltway toll whining. Ya don't need to be especially familiar with the road if you can read. That's all that needed to be done here. Tolls were posted, you read them, and decided to take the toll road. Geeze! Toll is $56.85 to the next exit?! $569.50 for the whole distance?! Yikes! Maybe the express lanes aren't a good idea? Maybe I should make a better personal financial decision, have exited at the next exit, or just keep my mistakes (plural!) to myself? Ummmm, why are all those big RVs and semi trailers over there in the regular lanes, and none here in the express lanes?

BTW, I have no magic familiarization with the DC area and avoid it whenever possible for any reason.

-- Chuck
With all due respect, it seems you're missing the point Chuck. Just because they WARN you you're about to get screwed, that doesn't make it right.
 
Not about right and wrong. It's about what it is. And the tolls are what they are. And they're posted. And you can take a different road or use the regular lanes.

How is intentionally using the express lanes without paying attention to the potential cost being "screwed?" "I didn't bother to read the signs" doesn't mean you got screwed. Or this is someone else's fault. Taking the express lanes is an intentional act.

Seriously, what makes you think these tolls are "wrong" and in what sense? Morally wrong? Economically wrong? "I should get to use them for free" wrong? "I don't like them" wrong? They're punitive for sure. And especially punitive for gigantic vehicles they don't want there. And you're free to not use these lanes.

Express lane tolls are designed to discourage or limit their use. And note the DC area tolls vary by direction and time of day. If the tolls were cheaper more people would use the express lanes and they wouldn't be Express any more.

-- Chuck
 

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